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JohnR 08-10-2010 06:57 AM

Increase Commercial Catch for Striped Bass? Or NOT? - Sign up here
 
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Yep, the ASMFC has an addendum to propose an increase in the commercial quota to "improve" equality between recs and comms.
(Also on the agenda is discussion for changing how YOY indices are measured / failure quantified). Full text:

Quote:

The proposal to increase the coastal commercial quota is intended to improve equality between the commercial and recreational fishery sectors. Although Amendment 6 established management programs for both fisheries based on the same target fishing mortality rate, the implementation of state-specific quotas for coastal commercial harvest (and not for recreational harvest) has prevented the commercial and recreational fisheries from responding equally to changes in striped bass population size. Since 2003, coastal commercial harvest has decreased by 3.6 percent, while recreational harvest has increased by 13.7 percent. Under the option, the Board would select a percent increase to be applied to the coastal commercial allocations assigned in Amendment 6.
Now many of you know that I am not pro or anti-commercial fishing for Stripers (I'd prefer reducing takes on both rec / com and better protection for forage fish). I know we have members that fish commercially and members that support game fish status. So we cover all the bases here and often argue these points ad nauseum. But I think the vast majority of the people here think that the stocks are heading in the wrong direction and that a reduction in take all across the board is necessary to benefit the health of the stocks.

So without getting into yet another battle to quagmire discussion (we can have another thread for that) who here is willing to GO TO THE HEARING? Maine and New Hampshire are coming in September. But Mass and RI are next week.

Add your name to the following lists on which meeting you can attend. Mass is next Monday in Dedham and RI is next Tuesday in Gansett.


John R: MASS (likely) & RI (definitely)


Massachusetts Division of Marine Fisheries
August 16, 2010; 6:00 PM
Holiday Inn
55 Ariadne Road
Dedham, Massachusetts
Contact: Jared Silva at (617) 626-1534

Rhode Island Division of Fish and Wildlife
August 17, 2010; 6:00 PM
URI, Narragansett Bay Campus, Corless Auditorium
215 South Ferry Road
Narragansett, Rhode Island
Contact: Mark Gibson at (401) 423-1935

Time to go all in. Full document attached.

afterhours 08-10-2010 07:09 AM

RI for sure.

JohnR 08-10-2010 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by afterhours (Post 787058)
RI for sure.

Excellent :btu:


This is not a meeting people can afford to miss or hope others attend in their place.

If you give a bleep about the fish, you'll do what you can to go.

The Dad Fisherman 08-10-2010 07:40 AM

Where are they having the NH meeting? Any Info?

piemma 08-10-2010 07:52 AM

Maybe. I have a 6:00 AM "wheel up" to Pittsburgh 8/18. We will see. What time is the meeting?

JohnR 08-10-2010 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 787067)
Where are they having the NH meeting? Any Info?

NH is in September

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Originally Posted by piemma (Post 787069)
Maybe. I have a 6:00 AM "wheel up" to Pittsburgh 8/18. We will see. What time is the meeting?

6PM meeting at URI Bay Campus

piemma 08-10-2010 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 787070)
NH is in September



6PM meeting at URI Bay Campus

I will try to make it. Beautiful "hot" Norfolk VA right now

ecduzitgood 08-10-2010 08:28 AM

Folks may not like it but my position is 1 fish 36" NO COMMERCIAL. There are plenty of people who are selling their fish at the back door with no license, and others who catch more than they are allowed and pass them on to other license holders who sell them for a cut. At some point we have to look at the value of the fishing and not the value of the fish caught.
I am planning on Mass. and maybe R.I.

JohnR 08-10-2010 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ecduzitgood (Post 787078)
Folks may not like it but my position is 1 fish 36" NO COMMERCIAL. There are plenty of people who are selling their fish at the back door with no license, and others who catch more than they are allowed and pass them on to other license holders who sell them for a cut. At some point we have to look at the value of the fishing and not the value of the fish caught.

So go to the Mass Meeting.

We can write letters and maybe have an impact, we can go to the meeting and maybe have an impact, we can go to the meeting AND write a letter and maybe have more of an impact, or we can beyotch about it here and have zero impact ;) - even though we may feel we have done something we probably haven't.

JohnnyD 08-10-2010 10:32 AM

I'm hoping to get out of work early enough to shoot down to Dedham.

The Dad Fisherman 08-10-2010 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 787070)
NH is in September


I know....just wondering if you knew where.....thats a lot closer to my house than Dedham is

MikeToole 08-10-2010 11:31 AM

I will be going to the New Hampshire meeting for sure and I will also try to go to the Mass and Maine meetings. Letters have already been sent.


New Hampshire Fish and Game
September 13, 2010; 7:00 PM
Urban Forestry Center
45 Elwyn Road
Portsmouth, New Hampshire
Contact: Doug Grout at (603) 868-1095

The Dad Fisherman 08-10-2010 12:27 PM

That works a lot better than Dedham

MAKAI 08-10-2010 02:58 PM

I will be at Dedham
Time for the silent majority to grow some teeth.
No more excuses, it's time to man up or shut up and we will get what we deserve.

JohnR 08-10-2010 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MAKAI (Post 787155)
I will be at Dedham
Time for the silent majority to grow some teeth.
No more excuses, it's time to man up or shut up and we will get what we deserve.


:btu:

tattoobob 08-10-2010 06:10 PM

I will write a letter,

Going to something like this then getting up at 4:30am makes a tough day at work

freebie 08-10-2010 06:20 PM

will try for dedham next monday...

slow eddie 08-11-2010 04:37 PM

will be going to the r.i meeting. time to get my butt off the couch and do something constructive for a change.
at least now when i bit**ch, i can say i tried to do something about it.

Raider Ronnie 08-11-2010 04:55 PM

I'll be at the Dedham meeting in support of an increase.

JohnnyD 08-11-2010 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie (Post 787403)
I'll be at the Dedham meeting in support of an increase.

Supporting an increase because of the science, or because of your wallet?

Redsoxticket 08-11-2010 08:36 PM

Rhode Island in support of conservation and science.

Raider Ronnie 08-11-2010 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyD (Post 787449)
Supporting an increase because of the science, or because of your wallet?



If people want to buy it someone has to sell it !

MAKAI 08-11-2010 09:24 PM

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I have no issues with selling bass.
My issue is with where are the replacements.
Pulled this off the USFWS site.
Notice any trend ?

Nebe 08-11-2010 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie (Post 787461)
If people want to buy it someone has to sell it !

Until there's none left to sell.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

JohnR 08-11-2010 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie (Post 787461)
If people want to buy it someone has to sell it !

I'm OK with it but we can't chance that it runs out. Unlike farming where we replenish the crop, we need to be extra careful this crop replaces itself.

Otherwise Tragedy of the Commons Part Deaux and all.

Nebe 08-11-2010 09:34 PM

It's already started John .. All the signs are there.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Redsoxticket 08-11-2010 09:42 PM

Why don't the commercials' invest in farming. The investment amount by each investor correlates to a percentage of the take.

afterhours 08-12-2010 07:09 AM

let's kill 'em 'till they're gone... :smash:

what eben said...

JohnR 08-12-2010 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 787473)
It's already started John .. All the signs are there.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device


Yeh, I think so too.

JohnR 08-12-2010 07:34 AM

PLEASE, we can do better than this, right? I know more people that are going than voiced on this thread, but lets get more of a firm list please. We need to represent this better. IIRC, Rhode island is one of the states in favor of increasing the quota, therefore it is very important to make it known that a lot of fishers don't want increased commercial take.

RI: Tuesday night

JohnR
Afterhours
Piemma
Slow Eddie
Red Sox Ticket

MA: Monday night

JohnR (maybe)
Ecduzitgood
JohnnyD
Makai
Freebie

NH (September)

MikeToole
TDF


MA in support of increased quota:

Raider Ronnie


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