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Perry wins, love the cut of his suit.

Bunch of clowns if you ask me.
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 912777)

Perry wins, love the cut of his suit.

Ya, the guy looks like he's wearing a styrofoam shirt. :)

It's about all we had to judge it on...was there even any debating?

It's like Romney and Huntsman had the Mormon coalition. Newt wasn't going to attack Romney so Mitt wouldn't lob another million in negative ads his way. Paul was almost embarrassed at things said against Santorum and Perry...

Perry wants to send troops BACK INTO Iraq??? WTF???

Freak show.

Best part was Ron Paul hammering Newt for being a draft dodger.

-spence

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 912833)

Best part was Ron Paul hammering Newt for being a draft dodger.

-spence

yep.. reminded me of this bit

Foghorn J Leghorn with Henery Hawk - YouTube

Dan Rather nails it

"Not one word about the fact that this country is at war. No question, no reference anywhere about our fighting men and women. There is a huge disconnect between these "debates" and the reality of life for most Americans and the country's real problems. This debate has had no hits, no runs, no errors. Romney wins by not losing. Santorum touched him a bit, but not much. Ditto Gingrich. I still think Tuesday's NH primary may have some surprises, but there were no surprises today"

Let's not even talk about losing the technology race..cybersecurity? We'll be in the middle east as long as the world has a oil based economy or china outbids us for resources, oh wait they already do
Bunch stiffs without a clue
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Has anyone else noticed that Mitch doesn't brag much on being Governor or his health bill?

he was Governor?
sure makes me wonder when
but if he beats OBama thats ok

That would be FAR from OK...

Romney scared of a pink slip? Come on Mitt
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Missed Tuesday night debates, got in late, forgot about the them
and watched Gunsomke.
Did see Rommney and Gindrich interviewed later and as usual gotta say Rommney is a dull blade.
He seems to be trying to hold everything as is, hoping there will be no suprises.
On the question of his income taxes he stammerd.WTH he doesn't
know he will have to show them if he wins??
Gindrich on the other knows how to answer questions because he knows
where he stands on the issues and more important thinks out of the box.
Refreshing to hear a guy who knows his history and constitution be able
to bring them alive into a new??? world with a consevative view.

Ron Paul is the man.

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Originally Posted by Duke41 (Post 915297)

Ron Paul is the man.

He really looked bad at the last debate. Romney had a few slip ups as he clearly wasn't prepared for the traps set before him.

Newt looked good but to say "he knows
where he stands on the issues" seems odd considering how hypocritical his record is.

I think you meant to say "Newt really knows how to articulate where he's standing today" :hihi:

-spence

This smarts...

Unreliable Leader - YouTube

-spence

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 915403)

This smarts...

Unreliable Leader - YouTube

-spence

Ya, Romney says he doesn't know what's in the ads and hasn't seen them. :rolleyes:

Newt and all of us are all "standing" in "Obama's change'", upto our necks today.

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Originally Posted by justplugit (Post 915518)

Ya, Romney says he doesn't know what's in the ads and hasn't seen them. :rolleyes:

Newt and all of us are all "standing" in "Obama's change'", upto our necks today.

What specific Obama policy do you think has impacted your life in a measurable way?
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 915520)

What specific Obama policy do you think has impacted your life in a measurable way?
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The policy that he's a socialist Muslim, silly... :smash:

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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND (Post 915571)

The policy that he's a socialist Muslim, silly... :smash:

Also tryin to take away urrr gunz and bibbles. BIRTH CERTIFICATES
ROAR
DERP

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What specific Obama policy do you think has impacted your life in a measurable way?
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Spence, let me throw it back atcha, do you feel you and our country are
better off now then 4 years ago?

I don't. I still have 2 family members that have been put
out of work over the last 3 years, one for 17 months now. Neither had a
problem for the last 15 years. More overtime then they could use.
As a retired person I have seen my IRA retirement fund go from earning 8% a year,
with a 70% bond 30% stock mix, to a paultry 2% which doesn't keep up with inflation.
When your lucky to get .01 % on your treasurey MMKT just to keep your $ safe,
that about says it all.

Gas prices from mid $2 to $3.50. Food prices up big time and on and on.
Go to the hardware store and tell me inflation hasn't sky rocketed.

His energy policy stinks. No new drilling! You gotta be kidin me, foreign oil
has us over a barrel. Spending tax money on Solyndra and 10 other companies
going broke to give the appearance "Green" is our savior? Pfft, what a joke.
Tell me I'm better off with this policy alone than I was 3 years ago. I'm not.

I could go on and on about how his spending policies, wanting to spread the wealth
around, more government regulations, bigger government, increasing the defecit
and taking us down the socialistic road and how it will affect my kids and Grandkids.
Lovin my kids and Grandkids and what his policies will do to them now and in the future is the biggest impact on my life.

Do I blame it ALL on him?, no, but he is the leader and sets the tone.

he quit

i'm not surprised one BIT

i hope all his supporters jump over to Ron Paul's Camp

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Originally Posted by justplugit (Post 915592)

Spence, let me throw it back atcha, do you feel you and our country are
better off now then 4 years ago?

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I don't. I still have 2 family members that have been put
out of work over the last 3 years, one for 17 months now. Neither had a problem for the last 15 years. More overtime then they could use.

Their unemployment while unfortunate isn't really a direct product of Obama policy is it? Unemployment today is a combination of many factors, technology and globalism being two big ones.

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As a retired person I have seen my IRA retirement fund go from earning 8% a year, with a 70% bond 30% stock mix, to a paultry 2% which doesn't keep up with inflation. When your lucky to get .01 % on your treasurey MMKT just to keep your $ safe,
that about says it all. Gas prices from mid $2 to $3.50. Food prices up big time and on and on. Go to the hardware store and tell me inflation hasn't sky rocketed.

What could have Obama done to increase the yield on your money market?

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His energy policy stinks. No new drilling! You gotta be kidin me, foreign oil has us over a barrel. Spending tax money on Solyndra and 10 other companies going broke to give the appearance "Green" is our savior? Pfft, what a joke. Tell me I'm better off with this policy alone than I was 3 years ago. I'm not.

This simply isn't true.

Obama has allowed for expanded drilling in the Gulf and in Alaska and made proposals to expand drilling off both the Atlantic and Pacific coasts. Yes, there was a deep water moratorium after the BP spill, but that was temporary and has been lifted as well.

As for investment in green companies. This is something the government has been doing for a while. Some of the criticism if the money has been allocated in a prudent manner is valid, but it's not socialism.

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I could go on and on about how his spending policies, wanting to spread the wealth around, more government regulations, bigger government, increasing the defecit and taking us down the socialistic road and how it will affect my kids and Grandkids.
Lovin my kids and Grandkids and what his policies will do to them now and in the future is the biggest impact on my life.

Again, what has Obama done that really that different than the previous administration? Obama hasn't raised your taxes, he's actually shrunk the number of federal government employees, and much of the deficit he inherited from Bush.

This isn't to say our present situation is great, but the assertion that we're neck deep in "Obama socialism" just doesn't seem to be true. I'd be willing to wager that had McCain won in 2008, aside from the health care bill, things wouldn't look all that much different than they do today. Though I'd note that even the HCB contains a lot of Republican ideas.

I do agree that he does set the tone, but is this more a product of PR or actual policy? On the policy side he's done a lot that's positive for business, but some just want to see everything Obama as the product of liberalism and therefor incompatible.

-spence

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 915634)

Personally yes, I am much better off than I was 4 years ago.

As for the country I think it's neutral. On one hand 4 years ago the country was already in a massive recession but just didn't know it. While there's a long way to go our economy has stabilized quite a bit. Yes, unemployment is still very high but this is a product of the recession...Obama has done much to help small business, but it's not like the situation will be fixed in just a few years...there are deeper structural problems.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Facts please, what "has he DONE MUCH" to help small business? Unvail a
national health plan, spending 2 years of his time rather then on the economy
but a health plan that leaves small business in the lurch as to what it will cost
them?
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Their unemployment while unfortunate isn't really a direct product of Obama policy is it? Unemployment today is a combination of many factors, technology and globalism being two big ones.
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Correct, there are many factors, however his appointment of Jeffery Immelt
as "job Czar", the guy who is sending most of his company overseas, is nothing
more then the rest of his creating job plans, Window Dressing.
How many jobs has the Czar created? Oh, that's right he's creating jobs in
China. :hihi:
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What could have Obama done to increase the yield on your money market?
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Certainly not increase the defecit another 3 TRILLION so intrest rates are lowered
to bring them to the point they are.

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This simply isn't true.

Obama has allowed for expanded drilling in the Gulf and in Alaska and made proposals to expand drilling off both the Atlantic and Pacific coasts. Yes, there was a deep water moratorium after the BP spill, but that was temporary and has been lifted as well.
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So why are we importing oil like there's no tomorrow?
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As for investment in green companies. This is something the government has been doing for a while. Some of the criticism if the money has been allocated in a prudent manner is valid, but it's not socialism.

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Let's face it Spence, giving these close to bankrupt "Green Companies" tax
payer money was nothing more than trying to jump start his program so if the GAMBLE paid off people would swoon over his brillance of creating a green
economy. Pie in the sky. I'm all for green but the technology is not close
to being there and won't be for years to come.
That must of been part of his "Change and Hope, when it comes to green policy
it should have been "Hope for Change." :)

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Again, what has Obama done that really that different than the previous administration?
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Nothing, he hasn't fullfilled 95% of his campaign promises for change.
Need I list them again. Except for a rediculous health care plan, increasing spending
and sending us down the Socialistic path, it's business as usual.
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This isn't to say our present situation is great, but the assertion that we're neck deep in "Obama socialism" just doesn't seem to be true. I'd be willing to wager that had McCain won in 2008, aside from the health care bill, things wouldn't look all that much different than they do today. Though I'd note that even the HCB contains a lot of Republican ideas.

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Exactly, aside from what I wrote above he's done nothing.

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I do agree that he does set the tone, but is this more a product of PR or actual policy? On the policy side he's done a lot that's positive for business, but some just want to see everything Obama as the product of liberalism and therefor incompatible.

-spence

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We are going in circles Spence, facts please. :hihi:

Is it me or does it seem like there are just far too many debates.

Anybody want to debate the fact that all politicians are Nitwits :hihi:

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 916738)

Anybody want to debate the fact that all politicians are Nitwits :hihi:

And now Newt is saying he won't do any more debates if the audience isn't allowed to cheer his one liners :jester:

I heard 2 seconds of his stump in SC and he was still talking about Lincoln Douglass. What a dope.

Now Newt can't release his Fannie/Freddie contracts because most of them are magically LOST :rotf2:

I see Romney gaining some momentum back.

-spence

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 916741)

I heard 2 seconds of his stump in SC and he was still talking about Lincoln Douglass. What a dope.

-spence

you are aware that Lincoln-Douglas was actually two people...right?...:uhuh:

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 916802)

you are aware that Lincoln-Douglas was actually two people...right?...:uhuh:

No #^&#^&#^&#^& sherlock.
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 916834)

No #^&#^&#^&#^& sherlock.
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just tryin' to help....you did write "Lincoln Douglass" and then call someone else a dope....

and we all know that you are extremely weak in the American history department:)