Snowden
Should be interesting to see if his flight from Moscow to Cuba drifts into US airspace without proper papers :devil2:
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I think the NSA should find the KGB agent that likes to use thallium and hire him. Just for the day of course.
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probably make an outstanding liberal college professor some day at a major United States University with tremendous knowledge and life experience to impart to the undergrads :uhuh:
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People in the previous thread were recognized for what they did AFTER their transgressions.
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and you not only commended the individuals for what they did "after" but you excused and defended their actions at the time for various reasons....fundamentals...:) |
Back on task... While Snowden supposedly made us weaker according to the bigger government types, he did an important thing for the opressed. At least there is some dicussion about big brother violating the Constitution and collecting evidence against the people without their knowledge..
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I think it funny that this happened under the most liberal of settings. I always have said a democrat will vote to strip you of your rights before anyone else will. This is minor considering that we even no about it. Consider what we dont know about what our government does. Obama has given this, and many other scandals lately another big "ho hum", pass the toast.
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It's always a lick and a promise and hope for the best, whatever he is facing as he leads from behind. |
He should go to jail.
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I'm Glad he did it !
~ cloaking technologies surveilance drones RFID chips ultra miniature listening devices ultra miniature video devices your PC hacked ALL calls recorded it's a very long list.... but you get my POINT |
you forgot chemtrails
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Look at the IRS conspiracy, seems like after all it was just bad management. -spence |
I'd happily let the gubmint snoop in my emails to prevent future terrorist attacks
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Originally Posted by scottw and you not only commended the individuals for what they did "after" but you excused and defended their actions at the time for various reasons....fundamentals... Quote:
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I don't think Ayers was ever even convicted of any crimes. Oh I do believe that bombs did indeed go off. They didn't kill people because the targets were warned in advance. that they used small bombs hidden in out of the way locations (I've read a bathroom vent was the most common) with the threat phoned in advance...clearly shows the intent was not to kill as much as make a very dramatic statement. I'm just curious, but you do realize there was a pretty big counter culture movement in the 1960's don't you? I think that has to be evaluated in the context of the tension during the Vietnam era where frustrations over inaction or complicity with many issues (like the War and racial inequality) reached a boiling point. Some looked to more violent means to make a statement as peaceful methods didn't appear to be working. That's not to say it was right, but to ignore the societal climate these events were surrounded by would be irresponsible. The war was the engine behind the radicalization. This wasn't a bunch of communists looking for a cause, their behavior was a by-product. While Boudin was certainly implicated in the murder, she also didn't pull the trigger and was able to plea bargain a lesser sentence.. He was motivated by the war and racism in college. Reading Ayers own writing it's clear that the shift to violent protest the war and race issues was precisely because more conventional means weren't getting a response. -spence[/QUOTE] |
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Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the person or things to be seized |
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What is "interesting" is the effort to go after this guy for exposing the depth of what most of us, and the terrorists, assume--that the government is spying on us, but the effort pales to go after and prevent those "undocumented" folks from residing here and having a far greater effect on our economy, government expenditure, health care and educational facilities, and even our security, than Snowden's little gambit. |
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To compare this with a single person breaking the law to expose what are known as lawful programs and doing some pretty serious harm to US interests doesn't make a lot of sense. -spence |
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Snowden, "the single person breaking the law" (which, I believe, every single person among the illegal immigrants did) and who exposed "what are known" as "lawful programs" (which run counter to the Constitution) is obviously a far greater, more than quite far, danger to U.S. interest. Ergo, bring in the illegals, and fry the poor slob who exposed the State's methods. The treatment the State gives to one as opposed to the other exposes another of its "secret" agendas. |
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sorry, I hadn't read Detbuch.... More than quite a few economists would also tell you that legal citizens who participate in the workforce rather than collecting welfare, foodstamps, disability have an even greater net positive impact on the US economy than illegals who don't pay taxes and send a large portion of their income out of the country and drain our medical system resources, safety nets and live in many cases unaccountable to society . |
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