Final Trump outrage
 

So what does it take for people to say, O.K., this is enough? Does
he have to shoot or rape someone on stage to get disqualified? I mean, most of the people who read this forum are MEN with families
(including yours truly). Is this the kind of MAN you want your son to
grow up to be? Is this the kind of man you want your DAUGHTER to be
around????? Are you kidding me? O.K. guys, ENOUGH!

It's amazing isn't it?

thats ben my issue all along.. it's all his comments combined there totality ..

Supporters do not see them (statements )in this light, they see them as individually statements that can be apologized away or he's not politically correct .... as a justification.. or he's just a regular Guy

But some have no issues seeing perceived misconduct of Clinton over 30 years as evidence (truth) of being corrupt . even if the facts show something different..

Its the same Logic they use against global warming Just with Trump

look at this guy voted in with a populace message pres of the philippines
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36251094

Is this how Trump would be on the world Stage ? I hope not but I can't risk it .. Can you???

So how do I vote to keep Hillary out of the White House????

Can a draft Mitt campaign get legs in 31 days? Does 25% of the voting public even know that Johnson exists? Neither candidate is worthy, but I will do almost anything to keep Clinton out. I agree with the above sentiments but will not cast a vote for her.

Now back to fishing forums.....

I'd vote for Mitt in a heart beat
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Or John Kerry
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I think Mitt could step in and likely win. I thought Johnson was interesting but the rookie mistakes he keeps making are telling.

Or you could just vote for Clinton and realize the world isn't going to end.

you'd think ...Bill Clinton was never president or something....all upset because Trump talks about stuff Bubba actually did? :bl:

The number of prominent Republicans pulling support for Trump is pretty telling.

there is an unflattering publication cover on Drudge regarding Trump but I'm going to disregard it as conspiratorial tabloid journalism, OK Spence?

I drove all over New England yesterday...saw a ton of Trump signs and even people at intersections...I honestly didn't see a single Hillary sign....prominent republicans are only worth 1 vote each....undocumented democrats...whole different story :rotf2:

It least Trump apologizes for things he says and does. The Clinton's never do. Neither Bill or Hillary.

Seriously?
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:bl: When has Bill or Hillary ever admitted to anything and apologized for it?
I don't like either candidate, but I'll do whatever is within my power to keep Hillary out of the White House. Even if it means voting for Trump.

It's like bizarre...

This situation has gotten so bad Trump's own running mate won't stand up for him. Trump is going no where - it's going to rip the GOP apart.

then you should be celebrating!!!! why so grumpy?

Not grumpy, I'd just like to see at least two strong parties, better for the USA.

ummmm...we have two "strong" "parties" and the USA is hopelessly mired in debt, 60+ % dislike the direction of the country, our foreign policy is a disaster, politicians spend decades in Washington spending/wasting other people's money with no regard or accountability and we have two of the most deeply flawed Presidential candidates in our history that nobody really likes courtesy of those two "strong" parties

not sure how good it's been to have two "strong" parties

And your love for Hillary isn't bizarre?

That's an odd statement to make?

Unfortunatly, the kind of man you want your son to be has not been winning many Presidential elections. That's the reason that once upon a time the Press used to not scrutinize candidates sexual conduct. If it had, a lot of Presidents would not have been elected.

We've gone way past that. So get used to it and stick to issues not personalities.

So you saying if Trump raped a woman that would be what does him in, but Bill Clinton raping women Hillary covering it up, intimidating the victims and threatening retaliation is ok ???
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what is worse? saying something horrible or actually doing something horrible? both are horrible but stating and acting are 2 entirely different things.

I can't vote for a candidate that does not support the Constitution

Here's what the Republicans are saying.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...roping-tape%20

And no, I didn't vote for Bill Clinton in '96; I thought he was a sleazy
piece of s---. I'm not excusing his behavior at all.

Do you mean two strong parties that fundamentally differ from each other, or two strong parties that differ mainly in the personalities of the candidates they choose for office? If the latter, what difference does it make if only one, or neither is "strong"?

What are the critical differences, if any, that you want to exist?

And if you did actually want the parties to fundamentally differ, what would your preferred differences be? And which difference would you prefer?

The impression I get from your posts is that you don't want major differences between the parties. But you'd rather that in given circumstances one would be more "moderate" than the other. If that's the case, how would the long run big picture be any different if one party was weak and the other strong? Or if one party just disappeared?

And what are the Democrats saying about why they voted for Bill Clinton?

I dunno. It probably wasn't anything good. But, hey someone came
to the Donald's defense; none other than the midnight cowboy himself,
Jon Voight!

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...ugly-rant.html

But, for all practical purposes, the election's over. The RNC has (finally!)
pulled the plug on Trump. It's history.

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/10/...ither-die.html

he would like Lincoln Chaffee to be the republican nominee...something about an impressive resume?

Originally posted by hq: And no, I didn't vote for Bill Clinton in '96; I thought he was a sleazy piece of s---. I'm not excusing his behavior at all.

Originally posted by detbuch: And what are the Democrats saying about why they voted for Bill Clinton?

Let me answer that for you. The Democrats didn't care that he was a sleazy piece of s... They supported him en masse. They excused him, defended him, protected him from dropping out of the race. Because they cared more for their agenda than they did about personal foibles. That is how they succeed as a party. Don't give up an inch. Plow forward, sleaze or not.

They understand, however, that if they slime or expose the slime of a Republican, especially one running for President, the rest of the party will not come together to defend or excuse their candidate. They know that they can bring that candidate down if enough dirt is put on him.

Which is what you see happening now. Republicans scurrying like rats off a sinking ship. Both politicians and voters. The Democrats are banking on Republican voters to care more about personal dirt than their agenda. And to a great extent, they are probably right to bank on that.

And what is this shocking new personal dirt? Actually, as Spence would say, it's old news. Trump has not hidden that he was sexually loose in the past. And this instance was "on tape." And he used foul language. But he didn't force the issue. The lady didn't reciprocate. That was the end of it. He didn't, as Clinton was accused of doing, force himself on her. But the incident is on tape. And what is supposed to make it really, really bad is the vulgar language Trump used to tell the tale. Maybe if he prettied it up and used nice words, maybe if he would have been romantic instead of crude, it wouldn't have been a big issue. Yeah, right.

That is not to excuse Trumps behavior. His past behavior is no secret. He doesn't hide it. As vulgar as it was, it would not have been important enough to sink him if he was the Democrat candidate. The party would support, defend, and excuse him if he were a Democrat. And if the Democrat voters were a bit queasy about it, they would care more about the good stuff he would do for them than about his imperfections.

Maybe enough Republican voter will feel the same way. Or maybe Trump will drop out and Pence will take over and the Dems won't have enough time to dig up some really good dirt about him.