This explains a lot
 

https://www.axios.com/happy-presiden...6597bfba8.html

Most citizens cannot pass a basic Citizenship test.

I am mixed in that all citizens have the right to vote, but are they holding up their end of the bargain if they cannot pass a citizenship test?

It's not an accident that citizenship is not an important subject in our Progressive educational institutions.

Interesting how the low scoring states lean politically
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Seems also to be a correlation between low scoring states and which states receive the most government $ back vs what they contribute.

In the second highest category (topped only by Vermont the only one in first category) the "Conservative" states dominate. Not a really significant political distribution overall between "right" and "left."

Not significantly true overall, but if it were, then it would seem that government money makes people dumber.

Do you have a chart to show that it is not significantly true overall bc every chart I have seen seems to indicate that the historically right leaning states all receive more back then they pay to the govern. There also seems to be a correlation between educational achievement also.

But to the point before you tried to turn this into a political arguement, it is sad people don't know more about our country. Perhaps bc many states down have civics classes anymore.

Many of the states that get low Fed have high state taxes, salaries, and tend to spend more. States that receive higher tend to have larger government installations like gov research or large military bases or (ironically, bases that were thrown out of states)

In the lowest two categories, with the exception of New Mexico all voted for Trump 16-1 and in the highest two he only got 6 out of 10.
I suppose the low ones are not really in the conservative club.

You can read data lots of ways to make it say what you want.

I'll be using that in the next thread you start :kewl:

As I said in the first response to the thread "It's not an accident that citizenship is not an important subject in our Progressive educational institutions."

Originally Posted by PaulS

But to the point before you tried to turn this into a political arguement,



Originally Posted by detbuch

This is the political forum


:rotf2:

Most people don't try to turn everything into Progress vs Cons. like you did. I'm guessing Pete's post was in reaction to your post commenting on progressive educational instituitions and pointing out that cons. states seem to score low.

If citizenship wasn't important in the progressive educational institutions what do you attribute to the low scoring conservative states? Just not as smart or is it bc they frequently spend less per student on education?

the tests are harder :rude:

is that why they have lower educational achievement and lower average earnings? Might need to pay their teachers more?????

I heard they are happier.....:bshake:

Could be. My commute sucks. That is why I work from home a lot.

The public educational institutions in this country have intentionally been made Progressive in their social and political pedagogy. If not all, the vast majority with qualifying teacher certificates are educated in our Progressive colleges and Universities. This applies even in "conservative" states. Our Public schools, in all states, are progressive institutions. It would be interesting to have a chart like the one in this thread that surveyed private schools. I wouldn't be surprised if Christian school students scored higher.

In the survey that John posted all states except Vermont scored below 50%. And Vermont was only at 53%. In the next level below that "Conservative" states had higher scores than "Progressive" ones. As a whole, even including Vermont, that is pitiful. Spending more money on education evidently doesn't affect the students' knowledge of American civics and history. That's not because the students are stupid. It's because they are not being taught what Progressive pedagogues think is either unimportant or they are being taught Progressive versions which are antithetical to the historical principles of this country.

Yes, there's all kinds of evidence to suggest that teacher pay is coordinated with student performance!! That's why private schools, where teachers are paid with dirt, score so poorly.

So as an actuary you would have no problem comparing public schools which have to take every student regardless of ability to private schools where you have the ability to test and pick and choose which students you want to accept?
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i agree it’s not an apples to apples comparison. but it shows that teacher compensation has
little to do with it.

how about if we spent the money on programs that encourage good parenting, making public schools look more like
private schools?

and if you look at test scores in public schools
by state and overlay that with teacher compensation, you won’t see
much correlation. if there was a correlation, i’d be on board with huge compensation.
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