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piemma 10-31-2019 03:07 AM

Striped bass meeting yesterday???
 
Anyone hear any results? I've checked FB and don't see anything. Nothing here either.

piemma 10-31-2019 06:14 AM

So it looks like 2-A2 passed. Slot 28" to 35". Anything over 35" has to be released. It's a start....

Guppy 10-31-2019 06:29 AM

That was my choice, the majority by show of hands at the DMF hearing earlier this month was min. 34”...

tlapinski 10-31-2019 06:35 AM

Here is what I posted on Facebook:

I'm seeing lots of misinformation and incomplete stories being spread right now regarding striped bass by those who either didn't sit in on the meeting or do not understand what went down. The 28-35 inch slot that was "passed" today is not written in ink, it's hardly written in pencil as there is a big eraser looming in the way of conservation equivalency. States may propose any options they want so long as it meets the tc's 18% reduction. Proposals are due by 11/30/19 with final decisions to be made at the ASMFC's February meeting. No matter which regulation you prefer we are far from settled on the 2020 & beyond regs.

niko 10-31-2019 06:39 AM

It is my understanding that this is not the final decision. Some states will go with the conservation equivalency and a final decision will be made in February
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Guppy 10-31-2019 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piemma (Post 1178310)
So it looks like 2-A2 passed. Slot 28" to 35". Anything over 35" has to be released. It's a start....

Go to work.... LOL

piemma 10-31-2019 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tlapinski (Post 1178312)
Here is what I posted on Facebook:

I'm seeing lots of misinformation and incomplete stories being spread right now regarding striped bass by those who either didn't sit in on the meeting or do not understand what went down. The 28-35 inch slot that was "passed" today is not written in ink, it's hardly written in pencil as there is a big eraser looming in the way of conservation equivalency. States may propose any options they want so long as it meets the tc's 18% reduction. Proposals are due by 11/30/19 with final decisions to be made at the ASMFC's February meeting. No matter which regulation you prefer we are far from settled on the 2020 & beyond regs.

Toby, understood but at least they are "considering" some mitigation of the current problem. It's wait and see.

Got Stripers 10-31-2019 08:38 AM

What drove that particular slot limit? While I'm happy to see its under consideration, I'm curious what criteria is used to pick the slot size.

beamie 10-31-2019 10:30 AM

Geez

When they finally pass some sort of conservation rule why can’t they make it simple and make it coastwise vice let each state make their own 18% reduction

Also I thought I read somewhere that mathematically a slot system didn’t work too well for a species since then that size will be targeted heavy. Could be wrong but thought it was proven that it didn’t work.
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tlapinski 10-31-2019 10:31 AM

Here is my complete write-up on the meeting.
http://www.thefisherman.com/index.cf...CWMlbAVameBuFc

Clammer 10-31-2019 11:03 AM

My guess is in RI .no matter what they pass the RI charter boats will have a exception ><><
:rollem:

numbskull 10-31-2019 12:34 PM

Keep in mind that neither the size limit nor the circle hook requirement apply to the commercial fishery.

As for the 18% commercial reduction, less than 70% of the MA quota was filled this year so an 18% reduction from the allowed quota would have had (and likely will have) no effect at all on the number of large fish killed by the commercial fishery in this state.

tlapinski 10-31-2019 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clammer (Post 1178364)
My guess is in RI .no matter what they pass the RI charter boats will have a exception ><><
:rollem:

The RIPCBA is working on getting a CE proposal together according to a post I read today on Facebook. They went on record as wanting status quo in the public comments, which I can understand the argument behind (not saying I agree or disagree with it personally) based on the difference in the inshore vs Block Island fishery.

MakoMike 10-31-2019 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by niko (Post 1178315)
It is my understanding that this is not the final decision. Some states will go with the conservation equivalency and a final decision will be made in February
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The only thing that will be decided in February is whether to approve or not each state's CE proposal.

MakoMike 10-31-2019 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beamie (Post 1178358)
Geez

When they finally pass some sort of conservation rule why can’t they make it simple and make it coastwise vice let each state make their own 18% reduction

Also I thought I read somewhere that mathematically a slot system didn’t work too well for a species since then that size will be targeted heavy. Could be wrong but thought it was proven that it didn’t work.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

With CE available that basically what they did, albeit in a round about way. As long as a state's proposed rules reduce the catch by 18% they will be approved.

I agree, I think a slot is a poor choice.

thefishingfreak 11-01-2019 06:48 AM

This accomplishes nothing for the Massachusetts recreational sector.
28"-35" fish are pretty much the target size and fairly easy to catch.

nightfighter 11-01-2019 07:12 AM

Help clarify this for me, please. There are a number of committees within the ASMFC. Which one voted at the meeting in NH, and which will have the final decision? Who ultimately holds the power????
The three striped bass committees are; the Board, the Technical Committee, and the Advisory Panel.


http://www.asmfc.org/about-us/boards-committees-panels



Toby, thank you for your write up, as you are a voice of someone who was there.... (link above)

But why the Chesapeake Bay minimum of 18"?

MakoMike 11-02-2019 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nightfighter (Post 1178445)
Help clarify this for me, please. There are a number of committees within the ASMFC. Which one voted at the meeting in NH, and which will have the final decision? Who ultimately holds the power????
The three striped bass committees are; the Board, the Technical Committee, and the Advisory Panel.


http://www.asmfc.org/about-us/boards-committees-panels



Toby, thank you for your write up, as you are a voice of someone who was there.... (link above)

But why the Chesapeake Bay minimum of 18"?

Th boards or each species are the ultimate decision makers for the species. The tech Committee is staff that does what the board tells them to do and the advisory panel is just that, they advise the board but don't have any decision making authority. The 18" size limit is only in Chesapeake bay and its because they don't have any big females for most of the year. All of the spawning size females migrate out of the bay after spawning.

beamie 11-02-2019 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MakoMike (Post 1178539)
The 18" size limit is only in Chesapeake bay and its because they don't have any big females for most of the year. All of the spawning size females migrate out of the bay after spawning.

I get that but.......
They do have big females at least for 2 periods of the year. We don’t have big females on a cold day in December or January up here! We can’t keep schoolers up here in April before the big fish show.
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MAKAI 11-02-2019 01:17 PM

The more you throw government at a problem the more “F”d it will become.
Committees up the ass.
Simplify it aka Occam’s razor.
It’s not rocket science.
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