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Old 12-03-2014, 12:16 PM   #37
detbuch
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Originally Posted by spence View Post
I think you're all missing my point.

It's not that your point was missed, it's that it was not getting anywhere. The responses were attempts to get somewhere.

That is a perspective from which many are looking at this situation and in many ways it's a valid perspective.

Perspective is self-validating. It is good to observe, even understand, different perspectives, but without agreement on observable "facts," perspective cannot meaningfully function beyond those who hold it. In and of itself, it has no useful function in the larger society. It doesn't get anywhere.

That doesn't mean there are other perspectives or that it's a complete perspective.

Exactly. There are other perspectives. And competing perspectives, arguing strictly on the a priori validation which each perspective gives itself, debate without direction and get nowhere. A complete perspective, as you put it, would be an agreement of perspectives based upon objective observation. It is that agreement which would become law. And law cannot function if it argues against itself. A victorious imposition of a given perspective upon the law destroys the law and, therefor, society.

To seek justice doesn't mean you necessarily seek a conviction, it means you want the system to work for you. Given how sloppy and careless the process appears to have been I can see why many don't believe justice was done.
To "seek justice" can be a very sloppy phrase if the seeking is based on personal or group perspective rather than law. If the "you" for whom the system must work is a group and its particular perspective rather than all of society, then the "complete perspective," the law, is broken, and where we get to, where it goes, is the destruction (transformation) of society.

And when this "justice" sought for a group is based not on legal justice but on perceived historical grievance, then the particular case, Ferguson in this instance, is not about the observable facts and the concluding justice by law, rather the case is merely another springboard for furthering a group perspective. And when such a sought after justice is fueled by ideologues who's intention is to alter society for the benefit of a particular perspective and the group that holds it, then even the "community" is swept up beyond its local perspective and subsumed into a supposed monolithic structure of lockstep black communities. Such a monolith is, on its face, a fictional false one. There is great diversity in the supposed monolith, and the observable facts are that those within it who walk in more independent shoes following values of self-reliance, work ethic, so-called traditional American values, succeed on a far greater scale than those who subscribe to the ideological perspective of the Sharptons and their destructive get nowhere agenda.

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