[detbuch]

Spence: yet another little piece that you may be able to handle:

Original quote by Spence"
"(2) That doesn't make a lot of sense. I don't think there's any real evidence that torture does work and most experts seem to believe there are better methods. If it's not likely to work and likely illegal why would you do it?"

Detbuch reply"
"It's cute how you apply the test of 'real evidence' to determine if torture works, but your test for favoring that it doesn't is the 'seem to believe' of 'most experts.' "

"And from there you go to the proposition that 'it's not likely to work.' Well, even granting your allowances which don't require real evidence, just 'expert' opinion, and even though other, if not 'most' experts 'seem to believe' that it does work (was there actually a tally of experts on both sides to determine who was the most, and by how much?)--'not likely to work' does not mean that it won't. And in desperate circumstances, why wouldn't you do it?"

This is a bit longer. But I think you can handle it. Give it a go.