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Old 07-06-2015, 10:02 AM   #14
detbuch
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Originally Posted by Nebe View Post
lets see. Off the top of my head, the economic collapse that happened here in 2008 was a result of loosening of banking regulations.

Depends on which biased opinion you choose to believe. There is the opinion that the collapse was due to government loosening of banking standards for mortgage loans. And that was facilitated by government regulatory agencies such as Fanny Mae. As I have, apparently without avail, tried to get you to understand, just because an agency has a good sounding name and is created with seemingly noble goals, doesn't mean it will always, or ever, perform that way. When the agency is given too much power, it may well, and most likely eventually will, dictate things which are neither noble nor beneficial. Be careful about what you ask for, you may get what you don't want.

The fact that we are not choking on smog are a result of government regulations.

Apparently, you believe that people and local governments are too ignorant to realize when they are choking on smog and too stupid to create local or state regulations to prevent the choking. Apparently, you believe only the EPA can fix such things. Never mind that it is run by people with the same imperfections as the people in the rest of society. Never mind that power and rights are shifted from the people and their local and state regulators to a centralized federal agency with dictatorial power. And that the more such agencies are created, the more power and rights are transferred from the people and their local and state governments to the central government. It seems that you don't see any danger to your freedoms in such an arrangement. Perhaps you prefer benevolent dictatorship to constitutional liberty.

The fact that we still have fish to catch are a result of government regulations.

States can, and do, regulate fishing. In a commercial sense, federal regulation of migratory fish is within its bounds. But its regulatory power doesn't need to rest in a dictatorial agency. Federal regulatory agencies, as were the first few to be created, can be advisors and compilers of data for Congress which should create laws directly, on the advice, if necessary, of "experts," agency or otherwise. Now, of course, they are no longer merely advisors. They are de facto legislators--with the power to execute and judge their own regulations.

If your talking about sports fishing, all manner of self regulatory methods, as in other sports, can be applied. Perhaps I'm wrong, but if the fish were disappearing due to sport fishing the fisherfolks would get together and figure out how to fix that. Even with local rules and regulations which can be enforced by local government. Or, maybe their too stupid.


But I'm the dumb ass. Look in the mirror.
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Neither you nor I are dumb asses. We're having a conversation about federal regulatory agencies. A basic understanding of how they function, how they fit into the constitutional structure, and how that structure is endangered along with your guarantees of freedom if the agencies are beyond the scope and limitations of the Constitution.

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