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Old 09-27-2019, 05:44 PM   #130
detbuch
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Originally Posted by detbuch
I believe he said something to the effect that they don't do enough, not that they didn't do anything. Ukraine President agreed with him and said that the US helps more than other of his European neighbors.

Pete F. quote: You believe incorrectly

Here is excerpt from transcript re that discussion:

Trump: I will say that we do a lot for Ukraine. We spend a lot of effort and a lot of time. Much more than European countries ARE DOING And they should be helping MORE THAN THEY ARE . . . Angela Merkel she talks Ukraine, but she doesn't do anything [obviously, in light of the rest of what he says, this is typical Trump comparative exaggeration]. A lot of European countries are the same way.

Zelensky: Yes you are absolutely right. Not only 100%, but actually 1000%. I did talk to Angela Merkel . . . I also met and talked with Macron and I told them that they are not doing quite as much as they need to be doing on the issues with the sanctions . . . it turns out that even though logically, the European Union should be our bigger partner . . . the U.S, is a much bigger partner.



Pete F.: You don't disagree with the guy with the checkbook, if you have the Russians taking over your country.
Look at Zelensky's face when Trump says he should talk to Putin and arrange something.

So you think Zelensky is lying. But that is conjecture. I can't see Zelensky's face on the transcript. Even if I could, different folks would "interpret" his face differently. "Interpret," not "know" being the key words when trying to stick to facts.

As I said, you don't have solid evidence. Just conjecture. As usual.
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