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QUOTE=Got Stripers;1195843]I already credited him for not destroying the robust economy he inherited,

That's what's called a back-handed compliment, or a back-handed "credit" in this case. He didn't create the robust economy, he inherited it, he just didn't destroy it . . . yet. No doubt, given all your other opinions of the "clown," given enough time the incompetent "clown" would destroy it.

This "robust" notion of what the "clown" inherited is difficult for me to see. It had a few good spurts but always returned to its slow attempts at recovery. The upward curve, in my opinion was lower than if nothing had been done to fix it, but just let it naturally, without interference, grow of its own volition.

It didn't get continuously "robust" until Trump promised tax and regulatory reforms, and more so when the taxes were cut and economy stifling reforms imposed by the previous administration were erased. Just those two things would be enough to make it an entirely new and different economy. An economy that was not "inherited." An economy that was created.

give him low marks for foreign affairs, poor marks for handling of our allies

He strengthened NATO. The Middle East violence and threat is lowered. He exposed Iran for the cheating threat it is to the Middle East and to the rest of the civilized world. Iran has less money now to fund its foreign intrigues. He withdrew some forces from Syria without the cataclysmic results promised by war experts. He has strengthened ties with Israel. He has not, as predicted by his detractors, engaged us in lots of costly wars. He called out Germany for its hypocrisy of pretending to view NATO as a bulwark against Russia, yet not living up to its obligations to fund it, and at the same time boosting Russia's economy by buying its natural gas from Russia. He has exposed West European leaders for the backbiting, conceited pretenders to civility that they are. He has beneficially renegotiated NAFTA, created better trade deals with Japan and South Korea, strengthened ties with Taiwan, and after Trump threatened tariffs on Vietnam, it agreed to free and fair trade with the U.S. Trump exposed China's economic rape of America and has been the only President to make actual moves to reverse that and his moves against China has spurred a world-wide interest in free and fair trade policies with each other that may benefit the entire world not just a group of favored nations and although that may look like a slap at us it actually creates the possibility of a truly competitive world market that we can more easily thrive in if we recapture and maintain our innovative less regulated free market


and dismal to irresponsible marks for dealing with the environment.

That's an opinion not everyone holds. I am not convinced either way. But it seems to me that it is not necessary to have an all powerful central authority dictating environmental policy to the whole world. Especially when the proposed authority will require a total reconstruction of the world economy and make itself the ultimate designer of that economy, thus vanquishing national sovereignties, making them subservient to its dictated power--sort of an all world regulatory agency having legislative, executive, and judicial power to dictate its will on all of us.

Now he is killing US citizens with no empathy or sympathy, he needs his economy open because he sees it as his only chance in November. I’m done debating his merits with a die hard Trumpiet, this guy couldn’t care less about your family, my family or anyone we know, as long as we follow his messaging and give him a vote.

Well I'm certainly not a die hard Trumpiet (haven't heard that label before). I'm a constitutionalist, not a Trumpist. He is merely, at this moment, a barrier to the Progressive assault on the Constitution and our constitutional order. I don't seek or need his empathy or sympathy. The economy must open or crumble into such disrepair that it will take decades to repair, especially if the socialists take over. If saving the economy helps him, that would be a strike against the Progressive socialists, and that's fine, very fine, with me.

My family will do quite well if the economy is saved and brought to life sooner rather than later.

What I find amusing is the he can’t help being Trump and that is exactly what America has decided they have had enough of. The harder he tries the worse the messaging gets, now it’s back to fear and division. The irony is he had a good economy going into this and had he not completely blown the handling of this pandemic he might have been a hard sitting president to defeat, but he can’t help himself thankful.[/QUOTE]

I totally disagree that he "inherited" a good economy. I remember a fairly stagnant slow rising one, if at all, and one that was generously referred to as a "new normal" by the very folks who backed and praised Obama for his efforts to establish this somehow stable and wonderful gift of predictably low, if at all, growth. Once Trump unleashed the economy by actually changing it into an entirely different one of low taxes with the elimination of strangling regulations imposed by the previous regime, it truly became robust . . . and, well then, all that low level "new normal" was somehow forgotten and quickly transformed by its proponents into the robust one that Trump "inherited."