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Old 07-21-2020, 03:43 PM   #45
detbuch
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Originally Posted by Pete F. View Post
So then you are claiming they are just the Graffiti Gestapo.

No. I claimed they were federal agents protecting federal property--in response to your inaccurate portrayal "Tweety's plan to demonstrate that he is a law and order guy by instituting a national police force is pretty scary.

“A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe companions to liberty,” James Madison told the Constitutional Convention. “The means of defense against foreign danger have been always the instruments of tyranny at home.”

Trump was not instituting a national police force. The various federal agents being used were instituted before Trump. And invoking the standing military force quote by Madison was stretching it too far beyond its meaning to apply here.

I don't know what Madison would have thought of having an FBI or a DHS or an ICE. Then there is the Insurrection Act.

But those are different discussions.


The jackbooted thugs that the right has claimed for years will take away your rights with no due process or recourse have arrived and they are the President's men.
They have snatched people off the streets of the city, refused to identify themselves, and detained people without charges.
The local elected politicians have asked them to leave, all of the sudden you claim that the man who is not responsible for the safety of American citizens in the case of a virus is responsible for the prevention of property crimes throughout the States.

Chad Wolf, who has not been confirmed by the Senate to serve in the job he has held since he replaced another Acting Secretary of Homeland Security last November, went to Portland last week to personally oversee the operation. He claims that the officers are targeting “violent anarchists” who he blames for spray-painting graffiti on some federal buildings (while stretching the definition of “violent” beyond all logic).

Ask yourself, just what crime did this man commit?

Everything he did was within his First Amendment rights and he was assaulted by the Graffiti Gestapo.

I don't know what crime he committed. The video doesn't show what he did or didn't do nor what he was saying. It could well be that he did nothing wrong and was unjustly beaten.

But this mantra about peaceful protesting being the object of police brutality or federal law enforcement doesn't square with a lot of what actually has been going on. There are, undeniably, riots and violence going on and have been going on for nearly two months. And there is no evidence that it will stop merely by letting it go unimpeded.

You're portrayal is quite different than what is reported by law enforcement. Overall, throughout the country, a lot of police officers, and federal agents have been injured, many severly, several killed. A great deal of property has been destroyed. Citizens have been injured or killed.

Saying it's merely about graffiti is absurd. Emphasizing the supposed peaceful nature is getting old. And saying its about the death of Floyd, or police brutality wears thin when we hear the words of the leaders, when they can be identified. There is something far more radical fueling this prolonged and destructive behavior.
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