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				This business of his lying is overdone, exaggerated, often even a lie itself.  His opponent has been lying his way through politics for decades.  But that's just Uncle Joe, just the scrapper from Scranton, just a typical politician.  It is apparent to me that effective lies by their guy or gal are truly appreciated by most of those who support a politician.  I don't know what "good" leadership qualities Uncle Joe has.  But I'm not going to say he has none.  I am assuming, as I do with Trump, that to get as far as he has, it would have taken some ability to lead.  Unless he is a total tool, wholly supported by other "leaders" who use him to further their goals. 
 
This whole Trump's lack of leadership nonsense is, on its face, a lie.  And a very obvious one.  And the "leaders" who create such mantras are doing a really good job of persuading people, like you, that it is so. 
			
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 Look at his   rallies this is your idea what a good leader looks like .. lets look at  a Hitlers rallies..  i would call them  frantically  as i would a Trump rallies 
Seems in the Trump era crowd size equals leadership and support 
Was Ike measured by crowd size or Bush 1 or 2 or Obama? 
Seems Trump has you impressed with his crowd size . So he must be good for American.  
Seem once again we're going to have to agree to disagree on Trumps leadership skills
Is a con artist a leader ? 
Anything negtive about Trump is nonsense .. its that easy..
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