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Originally Posted by wdmso

Look at his rallies this is your idea what a good leader looks like .. lets look at a Hitlers rallies.. i would call them frantically as i would a Trump rallies

Of course, you had to go to the NAZI thing. You don't think that JFK drew huge, cheering audiences. As do any very popular "leaders" whom their constituents want to see, cheer, even idolize.

And you don't that think Hitler had leadership skills. Or Mao?
Or Lenin? Only the "good" guys can be leaders? If that were the case, evil would have no followers.

Seems in the Trump era crowd size equals leadership and support

Having followers is factual evidence of an ability to lead. Whether you approve of the leader or hate him.

Was Ike measured by crowd size or Bush 1 or 2 or Obama?

The fact that they were popular was noted by favorable press and played down by opponents.

Seems Trump has you impressed with his crowd size . So he must be good for American.

No, I'm not much of a follower. Nor am I impressed with the vast majority of politicians--very, very few, actually. The avowed "leadership skills" that the Press or commentators ascribe to those they favor are irrelevant to me. Mostly a bunch of hooey. Puffery. My favorite President outside of the founding era, is Calvin Coolidge. You won't find much, if any, mentions of his "leadership skills." He was not touted as a leader. But if we had a lot more Presidents and politicians who governed by his precepts we would be much, much better off today. And, strangely, since Trump is so vastly different in character than Coolidge, in some respects his policies are closer to Coolidge than most any other President in the last 90 years.


Seem once again we're going to have to agree to disagree on Trumps leadership skills

Probably. I don't know specifically what you mean by leadership skills. I suspect you don't necessarily mean the ability to lead, but some notion of what you consider "good" leadership. Maybe what we disagree on is what is "good" and how necessary that "good" is in being able to lead.

Is a con artist a leader ?

He can be. So can be a tyrant. So can be what you consider rude obnoxious people.

Anything negtive about Trump is nonsense .. its that easy..

For you, that kind summary judgment is easy. As in anything negative about Trump is true and to some important point, such as the notion that he is a con artist.