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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Abortion opponents, some of whom are conservative, think that other people are required to conform to their beliefs.
Some of them also believe that birth control is an abortifacient - by preventing the fertilized egg from attaching to the uterine wall, that's an abortion.
The Catholic Church has had various edicts from various Popes regarding abortion so apparently there’s either not really any substance to papal infallibility or Martin Luther was correct.
Do Catholics still believe that freedom from God's punishment for sin can be purchased with money, perhaps if they got $50 per abortion they’d mind their own business
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I'm going to try and talk to you like an adult here, let's see how it goes...
"Abortion opponents, some of whom are conservative, think that other people are required to conform to their beliefs."
Wrong.
Every single criminal law on the books, is an attempt by society (not just anti abortion people) to get others to comply with rules of conduct. Abortion is not unique in this regard, in any way. Liberals just frame it this way, because that's a lot easier for them, than honestly debating what my side is saying.
Pete, are you OK with laws which saw that women can not hurt someone else?
I assume you are. And on that point, you and I agree.
The only topic on which we disagree (therefore, the only issue that actually matters here) is whether or not the unborn baby represents "someone else".
There are all kinds of laws that limit what women can do with their bodies. They can't inject heroin, female teachers cannot be involved with male students, etc...Yet you are OK with those laws. You are OK with all kinds of laws which limit the choices women can make.
Because you agree that women can make whatever choices they want,
as long as they don't harm someone else.
So the debate has absolutely nothing to do with women's rights, or choice, or any of that other nonsense...it has everything to do with whether or not the baby is "someone else".
That's literally all that matters.