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Bawana · 02-02-2004, 11:48 AM

The question about the vertical spine finder was a genuine one but I havent spined a blank by rolling it on the floor for many years.I do them by hand.I was shown a method by an extremely competent rod builder and do it his way or in the rolling spine finder which seems to work very well.My question about the vertical was did it have some type of indicator on it for marking the blank or is it just another that bends blank and you site on it with eye.When I am doing it I only consentrate on where it is at or near the tip.I dont care where it is at the butt end of the blank.I assure you the laziness is not playing any part in my using EE thread.It does however mean I have to keep 4 sizes on hand and it is not avalable in all colors.I do only rods for myself so it doesnt matter how long it takes.I also assure you that it takes a lot more then one wrap to cover the foot of a big Foot Aftco roller guide.I am not using the larger thread on small rods where I happen to agree that thinner thread is more then adaquate for the Job.I do however think that on a rod where guide flex is practically nill and the thread is subject to extreme pressure that wrapping it with the toughest and strongest is the best way to go.When it is wrapped on you do not notice a difference in how it looks unless one is looking at it from a extremely close distance.Now if you can tie a boat to a mooring with it would it not be stronger?I think that it is a strong as practical while still maintaining a strong degree of looking good. This type of rod is subject to a lot more abuse then a rod used to catch a ton of 2/5 or even 10 pound bluefish as that is now what is being commonly used as bait on them. I also agree with seawolf on the tunneling part but how much of a tunnel is there on the second wrap as the first eliminates 99 % of this.The top wrap is then just for Brute strenth and durability.Maybe I only do this to satisfy myself and it is over build but like I said these are for me so I only have to make myself happy.I have know idea when it became "common Knowledge" that A was Stronger then B"and I do agree it binds tighter as a first wrap.Though I*ve never used it myself I have seen rods that were wrapped with Dacron line that never exibited any signs of problems from being wrapped with to thick of a thread.I think we have kinda gotten off the track here as this originally was about sprial wrapping a rod.All I wanted to know was which method worked best.how the guides are place is all over the highway around the blank by different builders and one is putting the first with the left side of "0" axis and other are putting it to the right.Then theres the use three guides to make transition and others up to Five. I have seen this work and want to build one but by whose method is better seems to be the unanswerarable question.--- I am also interested in Info about the vertical spine finders accuracy vs the methods I am now using.One also has to wonder about the spine being to big an issue on rods where the guides are on the bottom as you would think it would be a more important thing as blanks got smaller but when Sage builds there rods I have been told they dont spine them and I have been told they are one of the best rods you can buy.I think it becomes more of an issue when the guides are mounted on top of it as a lot of us robots do.Sorry Mr L*ski I never ment to hijack your thread but I agree it has become interesting.A lot of people got the nix on the larger thread cecause MR Clemens said it wasnt nessesary but does everybody still agree with everything he had to say.Info come from a large variety of sources and has to be interpeted to fit ones own personal use.Thats what I thought this was about sharing ideas and wading thru them to find out what works.I*m not telling anybody they have to follow my directions just what works for me.The beauty of building your own rods is that you get to do them any way YOU want.

02-02-2004, 11:48 AM	#22
Bawana Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Norwell--E.Wareham Posts: 217	The question about the vertical spine finder was a genuine one but I havent spined a blank by rolling it on the floor for many years.I do them by hand.I was shown a method by an extremely competent rod builder and do it his way or in the rolling spine finder which seems to work very well.My question about the vertical was did it have some type of indicator on it for marking the blank or is it just another that bends blank and you site on it with eye.When I am doing it I only consentrate on where it is at or near the tip.I dont care where it is at the butt end of the blank.I assure you the laziness is not playing any part in my using EE thread.It does however mean I have to keep 4 sizes on hand and it is not avalable in all colors.I do only rods for myself so it doesnt matter how long it takes.I also assure you that it takes a lot more then one wrap to cover the foot of a big Foot Aftco roller guide.I am not using the larger thread on small rods where I happen to agree that thinner thread is more then adaquate for the Job.I do however think that on a rod where guide flex is practically nill and the thread is subject to extreme pressure that wrapping it with the toughest and strongest is the best way to go.When it is wrapped on you do not notice a difference in how it looks unless one is looking at it from a extremely close distance.Now if you can tie a boat to a mooring with it would it not be stronger?I think that it is a strong as practical while still maintaining a strong degree of looking good. This type of rod is subject to a lot more abuse then a rod used to catch a ton of 2/5 or even 10 pound bluefish as that is now what is being commonly used as bait on them. I also agree with seawolf on the tunneling part but how much of a tunnel is there on the second wrap as the first eliminates 99 % of this.The top wrap is then just for Brute strenth and durability.Maybe I only do this to satisfy myself and it is over build but like I said these are for me so I only have to make myself happy.I have know idea when it became "common Knowledge" that A was Stronger then B"and I do agree it binds tighter as a first wrap.Though Ive never used it myself I have seen rods that were wrapped with Dacron line that never exibited any signs of problems from being wrapped with to thick of a thread.I think we have kinda gotten off the track here as this originally was about sprial wrapping a rod.All I wanted to know was which method worked best.how the guides are place is all over the highway around the blank by different builders and one is putting the first with the left side of "0" axis and other are putting it to the right.Then theres the use three guides to make transition and others up to Five. I have seen this work and want to build one but by whose method is better seems to be the unanswerarable question.--- I am also interested in Info about the vertical spine finders accuracy vs the methods I am now using.One also has to wonder about the spine being to big an issue on rods where the guides are on the bottom as you would think it would be a more important thing as blanks got smaller but when Sage builds there rods I have been told they dont spine them and I have been told they are one of the best rods you can buy.I think it becomes more of an issue when the guides are mounted on top of it as a lot of us robots do.Sorry Mr Lski I never ment to hijack your thread but I agree it has become interesting.A lot of people got the nix on the larger thread cecause MR Clemens said it wasnt nessesary but does everybody still agree with everything he had to say.Info come from a large variety of sources and has to be interpeted to fit ones own personal use.Thats what I thought this was about sharing ideas and wading thru them to find out what works.I*m not telling anybody they have to follow my directions just what works for me.The beauty of building your own rods is that you get to do them any way YOU want.