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I have tried a couple of the guderbrod cp*s and I know I have even some of the old 111 lying around from back in the late 70*s or very early 80*s.Ya I*m a pac rat too.I have been using the flex coat stuff for probably 20 years now and have had pretty good luck with it.I was given a bottle of the 811 and tried it but maybe it was the old dogs and new tricks thing but I didn*t like the way it went on as far as it drying really fast.It was a couple of years ago but if I remember it was drying while I was still working with it so I went back to the stuff I liked as you said.----- I understoood what you were talking about when you said you wrapped tip to butt right away.If that works for you great but I think I might suffer a brain implosion if I tried that.I was told it was possible to wrar the pattern and then install the fore grip but I have never tried that either.What I usually do is put a piece of 3/4 inch masking tape in front of thegrip and wrap with regular string to taper it down from the grip to the blank out to the end of the tape.then I wrap over this with electrical tape.The scotch 33 seems to work best as its very flexible but its also kinda expensive compared to other brands.I then cover the grip with couple layers of masking tape then couple layers of electrical tape spiraling it to ends.This is all just to protect the grip when removing the two sided tape at end.Over this I wrap a layer of the scotch two sided (green backing) tape.all the way to the end of the tape on the blank.This seems to help the slippage but by no means eliminates it.I also like the saw toothed pattrern that you get from the multiple thread wraps and one of the best wrappers i know does all his stuff using two threads instead of one even for the pattern work.His stuff is absolutely incredible and he*s been at a it for like 35 years as a job.I still am picking up little things here and there and even learned something from bud 8 when I met him at mike*s shop last winter and I*ll bet he doesnt remember what it was.I also check the Rodbuilder site and pick up little tidbits from what other buiders are doing and what problems they run into.This to me is just a hobby and I have no desire to step on anyones toes that does it as a living.I build only for myself and an ocasional favor and have a rather extensive collection of experiments using different blanks built for different types of fishing from schoolies to unlimited rods. I like to try out different blanks and different guides styles for both conventional and spinning rods.Reels--- I have hundreds I just love fishing saltwater and all that goes with it.Sharing info-- what little I have--is what this is all about. Fish*s work has come a long way in a relatively short ttime and if he keeps going he*s gonna be doing some real good stuff --Keep it up its looking good.Heck look at what Mikes daughter is doing at 11 years old.She*s gonna make some fisherman a happy camper with her rod building ability.I tried to interest my kids in it but NOOOOO its easier to have dad do it. Now this is getting way Off subject and I plead guilty to thread jacking
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