[spence]

I don't think we can let it fall apart, but doing it in the manner we have I also don't see any real improvement until we pull a lot of troops out. There is simply too much hatred for America for the insurgency to loose strength.

Another important point is that these insurgents arn't all terrorists. Many are regular Iraqi's pissed because things haven't gotten any better for them. Impatience, perhaps and it's being fueled by their neighbors. Sounds just like Lebanon to me.

What we need to do is give other countries an incentive to supply real troops (i.e. contracts), have real International oversight over military operations and get the bulk of security forces replaced by friendly Arab nations.

Speaking with people who actually live in the Middle East, countries like Syria, Pakistan etc...it's the complete and utter ARROGANCE of the Bush Administration that is screwing us. Reagan might have pissed a lot of people off with his balls, but he was never...EVER...arrogant.

-spence