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Originally posted by Navy Chief
You know, cutting off someone's head is prisoner abuse. Abu Graib shouldn't happen, I agree. It's a failure of some Colonel who failed to exercise command, not the president. I'm aggravated because they are courts martialing E-4's but not the Colonel. But really drop it, we didn't cut anybody's head off.

Not the point Chief. We removed Saddam calling him a tyrant then replced his torture with some of our own in the very same prison. This isn't a tit for tat argument that their torture is worse than our torture.

The issue isn't what happened even as much but how it was dealt with. The world is looking for a little humility in our response, nothing more. Instead the pentagon blamed the individual, the investigation proved otherwise but the damage was already done.

You talk allot about Bush making the rest of the world angry and how he went about it the wrong way. How about all those UN Security counsel resolutions that were disobeyed by Iraq. For the record, the French didn't want us taking over Iraq, that's about it. The rest of the world was over there, helping us.

Why should the French want to help when our leadership is mocking them as "old Europe". When you want something from someone do you call them a name? I though most of us learned these life lessons in 3rd grade.

And by the "rest of the world" I assume you mean England where most of the people where violently against what Tony Blair was doing. To be fair I'll include Australia, even though most of that country was against what we were doing they did supply a few people.

After that the list drops down to Belieze, Uzbekistan, Lower Antigua etc... This was no coalition.

Perception of morality has an impact for me. To claim to be catholic, then agree that same sex couples should wed, and abortion is okay is downright hypocritical. Last democratic president we had was having sex in the oval office, remember that?

Pardon me, but I didn't know Clinton was running this year.

There's personal morality, and there's society. We do not live in a Catholic society. To impose one's personal religous views on people is what I would expect out of Iran, not Washington.

Remember that drug plan for seniors?, research who's bill that was. The economy, research that recession that Clinton started. You know those oil prices, enter reality, research gas prices in Great Britain. Also, research how many times the Clinton administration could have taken out Bin Laden, but passed. OBL might not be caught yet, but he doesn't have his own country anymore.

The Republicans removed all components of the Bill that would encourage competition.

I'm having a really difficult time understanding this, please help me.

How is a drug plan that stifles competition and increases government subsidies, in any way shape of form fiscally conservative?

Regarding Bin Laden. Bush was toting the same apathetic line until 9/11. I suppose it was only a wake up call for the Republicans right?

You know, I've been in the military for 22 years. Kerry has never supported the military, ever. He served, but never supported, always voted against bills that strengthen defense. But I should vote for him to be the commander and chief? Not a chance. [/B]

And to be frank Chief I really appreciate your working to keep my family safe. But the reality is your distorted perceptions of Kerry's defense record are not rooted in facts. Read this ->Bush group repeats misleading attacks on Kerry's defense record

The claims made by the Bush camp are lies and distortions.

I'm not arguing for the sake of it, I just want to make sure you guys are supporting Bush for the right reasons. I've looked very hard and I'm hard pressed to find many.

-spence