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Well as far as my own kids go, they pretty much have me wrapped around their little fingers, but they definitely know their limits and don't press them because they know while I am not big on corporal punishment I will make the punishment fit the crime. But you're right about one thing, start off when they're young getting them to abide by your rules. Kids are like puppies. If you start training them young you're more likely not to have problems later on. Of course when they get to be teenagers it's a whole new battle. I don't know many parents who haven't had to go thru a little refresher training on that front. Especially the day they wake up and decide they are going to cop-a-'tude with their parents and other adults. It's best to nip this one in the bud as quickly as possible, if you don't I think it can very easily blossem onto issues of respect and simple consideration for others. I find this to be a bigger deal for me than acting up once in a while. I've had to use the DeNiro line on a couple of my daughters friends who suddenly felt the need to jump down MY throat for no reason. "You talkin' to me? I don't see anyone else here! So you must be talking to ME?"
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