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spence · 01-12-2005, 08:36 AM

ILS, perhaps you could explain what a socialist is then.

I'm not advocating pacifism here, I'd ask you to ask yourselves if we are crushing the enemy.

We moved into Afghanistan without securing the border (a near impossible task) and effectively let the armed Taliban run across the border and into the hills. Instead of applying US force to capture al Qaida leaders we bribed local tribesmen to do it, and they did an abusrdly poor job. Currently Pres. Karzai has little control outside of Kabul and the armed insurgents are filtering back into the country. Opium exports are at an all time high. Many experts are predicting the region will erupt into massive violence within 18 months.

The Buhs Administration has completly f'up just about every aspect of Iraq, and now we face an insurgency of 40,000 with hundred of thousands of sympathisers. What's worse is that our military is so overextended it does not have the logistics to keep going at this rate. In 12 months we will have to pull out ready or not.

Perhaps our most treasured weapon in the war on terror, clear moral high-ground to act freely when necessary, has been effectively erased due to our unjustified urgent unilateral actions and prisoner abuse scandals.

Actions that would really help the war on terror are being ignored. Our border with Mexico still lets millions of illegals through every year. We abandoned the Palestinian peace process delaying for years any possible improvement. There has been zero initiative by the government to reduce our dependancy on fossil fuels and our blood pact with the Saudi's, who by the way are funding most of the anti-US hate in the world.

So the point for BigBo and others is simple. This isn't about being a liberal, a socialist or a non-patriot. It's not about giving up on the team, being a pussy, letting the UN dictate our actions or getting in touch with our emotional sides. It's not even about partisan Buhs bashing...

It's about paying attention to what's really going on, and the realization that our current path is completely awry. We're making little real progress while at the same time fanning the flames that lead to terrorisim in the first place. There is a much better way to fight the war on terror.

-spence

01-12-2005, 08:36 AM	#50
spence Registered User iTrader: (0) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: RI Posts: 21,463	ILS, perhaps you could explain what a socialist is then. I'm not advocating pacifism here, I'd ask you to ask yourselves if we are crushing the enemy. We moved into Afghanistan without securing the border (a near impossible task) and effectively let the armed Taliban run across the border and into the hills. Instead of applying US force to capture al Qaida leaders we bribed local tribesmen to do it, and they did an abusrdly poor job. Currently Pres. Karzai has little control outside of Kabul and the armed insurgents are filtering back into the country. Opium exports are at an all time high. Many experts are predicting the region will erupt into massive violence within 18 months. The Buhs Administration has completly f'up just about every aspect of Iraq, and now we face an insurgency of 40,000 with hundred of thousands of sympathisers. What's worse is that our military is so overextended it does not have the logistics to keep going at this rate. In 12 months we will have to pull out ready or not. Perhaps our most treasured weapon in the war on terror, clear moral high-ground to act freely when necessary, has been effectively erased due to our unjustified urgent unilateral actions and prisoner abuse scandals. Actions that would really help the war on terror are being ignored. Our border with Mexico still lets millions of illegals through every year. We abandoned the Palestinian peace process delaying for years any possible improvement. There has been zero initiative by the government to reduce our dependancy on fossil fuels and our blood pact with the Saudi's, who by the way are funding most of the anti-US hate in the world. So the point for BigBo and others is simple. This isn't about being a liberal, a socialist or a non-patriot. It's not about giving up on the team, being a pussy, letting the UN dictate our actions or getting in touch with our emotional sides. It's not even about partisan Buhs bashing... It's about paying attention to what's really going on, and the realization that our current path is completely awry. We're making little real progress while at the same time fanning the flames that lead to terrorisim in the first place. There is a much better way to fight the war on terror. -spence Last edited by spence; 01-12-2005 at 08:42 AM..