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spence · 02-09-2005, 02:55 PM

I'm not sure what makes people think Dean is so liberal, is it because he's passionate and screams?

Is it because he's willing to call the GOP to the mat on issues like using homosexuality or gun rights as politically divisive tools?

Being the leader of the DNC is about fundraising and coordinating the party, something which Dean has demonstrated skill at. If you think His position will see Him as a face man ranting a left-wing agenda, you've been watching too much FOX News

Bronko, I don't think there is any drastic trend. We've come off of 8 years of a Democratic Administration with a very high approval rating. Gore arguably should have won in 2000, at the least it was razor thin. Buhs's victory this time was the closest in re-election history and the fact is, much of the Congressional gain was the result of redistricting (i.e. gerrymandering) in Texas.

The difference was clearly 9/11. The country simply didn't want to, for whatever reason change leaders, and the Dems didn't campaign well enough, or counter the exploitation of K3rry's flaws to compensate.

Counties that are growing are going to be rural, and rural counties will tend to be more conservative. This is no suprise, just 3rd grade spin.

Also, the colored election map was a joke. You may take great pride in knowing that 7,000,000 acres of Wyoming tumble weed and horney toads was "Buhs Country", but I'm more concerned with reality. Adjusted for population it comes out nearly 50:50 split of red and blue. A perfect shade of green

The tone of the Dems is driven by anger and frustration, not liberal elitisim. Buhs is on the offensive and many find His behavior to be reckless, arrogant and patently corrupt. If you care about your country this is something to react to rather than sit and let come what may. If you agree with the president then I damn well hope you understand what He's doing, which makes you complicit

My observation is that people on the Right tend to attack liberalisim for what they think it is, while those on the left attack actual behavior of those on the right. The media processes it into a bland product with no real flavor or texture. There is very little real dialog, it all comes down to who can lie better.

The Democrats need to find a more optimistic voice, but the Party's roots don't need to change.

To be honest I'm still a registered Republican, but as long as the Buhs Administration keeps ignoring the environment, disregarding civil liberties, pandering to mega-corporations to further shrink the middle class, running up the deficit, using gay rights and abortion as wedge issues, waging poorly planned and idiologically justified wars, shunning International cooperation and doing everything possible to escape accountability on all fronts...

I'll be happy to call myself a Democrat

-spence

02-09-2005, 02:55 PM	#13
spence Registered User iTrader: (0) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: RI Posts: 21,466	I'm not sure what makes people think Dean is so liberal, is it because he's passionate and screams? Is it because he's willing to call the GOP to the mat on issues like using homosexuality or gun rights as politically divisive tools? Being the leader of the DNC is about fundraising and coordinating the party, something which Dean has demonstrated skill at. If you think His position will see Him as a face man ranting a left-wing agenda, you've been watching too much FOX News Bronko, I don't think there is any drastic trend. We've come off of 8 years of a Democratic Administration with a very high approval rating. Gore arguably should have won in 2000, at the least it was razor thin. Buhs's victory this time was the closest in re-election history and the fact is, much of the Congressional gain was the result of redistricting (i.e. gerrymandering) in Texas. The difference was clearly 9/11. The country simply didn't want to, for whatever reason change leaders, and the Dems didn't campaign well enough, or counter the exploitation of K3rry's flaws to compensate. Counties that are growing are going to be rural, and rural counties will tend to be more conservative. This is no suprise, just 3rd grade spin. Also, the colored election map was a joke. You may take great pride in knowing that 7,000,000 acres of Wyoming tumble weed and horney toads was "Buhs Country", but I'm more concerned with reality. Adjusted for population it comes out nearly 50:50 split of red and blue. A perfect shade of green The tone of the Dems is driven by anger and frustration, not liberal elitisim. Buhs is on the offensive and many find His behavior to be reckless, arrogant and patently corrupt. If you care about your country this is something to react to rather than sit and let come what may. If you agree with the president then I damn well hope you understand what He's doing, which makes you complicit My observation is that people on the Right tend to attack liberalisim for what they think it is, while those on the left attack actual behavior of those on the right. The media processes it into a bland product with no real flavor or texture. There is very little real dialog, it all comes down to who can lie better. The Democrats need to find a more optimistic voice, but the Party's roots don't need to change. To be honest I'm still a registered Republican, but as long as the Buhs Administration keeps ignoring the environment, disregarding civil liberties, pandering to mega-corporations to further shrink the middle class, running up the deficit, using gay rights and abortion as wedge issues, waging poorly planned and idiologically justified wars, shunning International cooperation and doing everything possible to escape accountability on all fronts... I'll be happy to call myself a Democrat -spence Last edited by spence; 02-09-2005 at 03:02 PM..