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Originally Posted by Slipknot
I don't know what's going on here but knock it off.
I am locking this and if John or the others want to open it up, then fine. but there is no need to pile on any members here.
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I agree... This is a classic example of why Internet threads spiral. And a Posse thread in the making so we'll squash that...
I know Eben a little and he would share, to an extent with people more publicly but eventually seated himself to sharing more privately. So he does share. As for his
story while I probably would not have done the same thing, I most likely would not have coached someone along.
In a somewhat similar situation years ago, Bill and I showed up at one of the long since overrun by reports places in Charleston where a fella just of legal drinking age was trying to impress his friend and his gal in the finer points of fishing. This "gent" chose to dress himself up in the "River Runs Thruough It" fashion so common at the time (he maybe even had suspenders on - can't remember). So this "gent", we'll call him Stu, had taken this spot over with the long wand - which would shut out every and anyone else from using it - then 5-10 people a night, now up to 25 - said he had been there all day, including a little while during the precious falling tide. He declared when Bill and I walked up that we would not catch a fish and it was not worth trying. He had such great confidence in his ability that he KNEW there were no fish.
On Bill's first cast he had a high 20#er and in my first cast I had a lowe 20#er, "Yep, no fish here"... "Stu" and his freinds left.
Well next year, "Stu" was someone we would se more often and "Stu" would eventually wiggle his way into fishing with several of us fairly frequently, I fished with him a couple times but I never really trusted the guy. He fished with Steve and Bill and Joe, among others, learing a lot of the good info, the wheres certainly, but the important whens too. He learned where to tresspass and soaked up all of this info. Sucked the knowledge tree as dry as he could in such a short time.
Then "Stu" started shore guiding people in to these places, every hole he was shown that produced he would charge people and take them in there and even occasionally catch a fish. And boasting and boasting about fish caught at spot after spot, to further drum up guide biz.... Well, that failed and his dad stopped paying his fishing "tuition" and he had to go back to Jersey.
"Stu" is a fine example of going the otherway and "giving" away everything to someone. If much of the knowledge necessary to being successful on the water is not EARNED, it will not be RESPECTED. And I mean respected not necessairly by others but by the person that wields the stick and did the learning.
So information, including "spots", are best given out in smaller bits and pieces from time to time, enough to steer someone in the right direction. Not all the info all the time.
Now what should Eben have done? Tell 3 or 4 guys standing in a spot that prevents him from fishing to tell them to wait 90 minutes until the tide floods and when the spot typically heats up? I've gone to places and seen people bang away all day to no avail and I hit them just as the people leave. I'm also sure I've "chummed" up a spot for someone as well.
These people may have been hacks - if that is what I saw I might have said something similar too, but not kept the mackeral (unless really fresh
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If it had been a guy taking his son or daughter fishing, yeh I would have probably steered them right. If it looked like someone genuinely trying to make things working I might offer a tip or two, but if it is a bunch of hacks? Loudmouths? People drinkin' and fishin' - No way no how, I'd seriously consider lying thru my
We'll keep this thread open a liitle longer as long as it does not turn into:
A) A pissing contest
or
B) A pig pile