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I have found using even the smallest tail weight will make them sink tail first even with a decent size weight in front of the belly hook. My swap needles were weighted on either side of the belly hook and no tail weight. Like NIB said they will not cast real well in a wind but they sink horizontal and sink ever so slowly. Perfect for a boat or a back bay or light wind nite. I am now making a bunch with the weighting scheme that BM uses so I can get a heavier needle that will still stay horizontal, which I feel is the important factor, but will have to be reeled a little faster so it doesn't hit bottom, which is also a good thing if you let that happen too. It is tough though to drill the hole that deep because if it walks there is a very small margine for error.. I have also noticed that the more tail weight you add the better the needle comes to the surface and swims, but at an angle, like a pencil. The horizontal ones I made for the swap are real hard to get up on the top unless you reel fast, but twitching and a slow retrieve it looks real good and level. Sand eels do a lot of still, level, floating when not being harassed so that is what I was shooting for. You really need several. I don't think a do all needle has been, or can be made but I am usually wrong at least once a day. BTW nice looking needles Diggin. Paul
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