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RIROCKHOUND · 01-27-2007, 11:06 AM

First off; caps does not = yelling; I just want to make a few points stick out.
Any of the below is just my gut feeling and my personnel take on the situation.

Flotee, what is your affiliation?
Any petition that doesn't specify the who what where when and why needs some help, or they dont want people to know.
Surfrider? Trustom? USFW? Just concerned?

Out of 90,000 cu yd dredged from a harbor, some sh-t will wash up.
Big jay was on the right track.
The sediment is NOT TOXIC, maybe littered but not toxic. The same crap washes off boats all summer and ends up on the beach.
Littered does not = toxic. What they test for doesn't show % of tin cans. The remove anything major (engine blocks etc) but cant screen it all or it would never get done. Pumping instead of dumping might have alleviated some of this but the cost was too high

This sediment is sand that was transported along the shoreline (the whole shoreline) and ended up inside the pond. It is primarily sand-sized material, which does not tend to absorb/trap PCBs, PAH's, metals and all the other unsavory crap.

The stuff washing up (cans etc) ALSO gets to the beach FASTER than sand (due to surface area and sticking up further in the flow) While it is only speculation, if the debris is washing up, some of the sand is as well.

Whatever the ultimate fate of the sand dumped is (i.e. how much makes it to the shoreline) this is still a band-aid on a bullet wound as fas as the overall erosion problem. The Roy Carp's crowd did a lot of work petitioning this. Eventually something will happen to the area around the Mist, as mentioned in the paper, what that is I don't know but it probably means big rocks which means ultimately means no beach.
Remember, if you leave the shoreline alone, there WILL ALWAYS be a beach. It just isn't where people want it to be.

I WONT sign the petition, especially not with know the who, what where when and why.. ANY ONE WHO WRITES OR SIGNS THE PETITION SHOULD THINK LONG AND HARD ABOUT BOTH SIDES. I can tell you from experience, short of a court order, they aren't going to stop the dredging and dumping.

That amount of material WILL NOT be used for upland disposal, so either you would have to pay the $$ th put it in the CAD cells in providence, OR put it offshore, which means it is still in the marine environment. At least what washes up can be cleaned up FAIRLY EASILY FROM THE BEACH.
The same isn't true if the material is put into 130ft of water.

Lastly: IF YOU STOP THE DREDGING NOW THEY WILL NOT MAKE THE DREDGE WINDOW. THE WINDOW IS SET-UP TO MINIMIZE EFFECTS ON FLOUNDER AND OTHER SPAWNING THAT GOES ON IN THE POND. The negative effects of the dredging on those guys probably out weighs any gain from not dumping the material.

You cant please all the people all of the time.
MAYBE THE PLOVERS WILL USE THE BEER CANS AND BUILD THEM SELVES SOME SHELTER

(OK THAT was a joke)

01-27-2007, 11:06 AM	#18
RIROCKHOUND Also known as OAK iTrader: (0) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Westlery, RI Posts: 10,413	First off; caps does not = yelling; I just want to make a few points stick out. Any of the below is just my gut feeling and my personnel take on the situation. Flotee, what is your affiliation? Any petition that doesn't specify the who what where when and why needs some help, or they dont want people to know. Surfrider? Trustom? USFW? Just concerned? Out of 90,000 cu yd dredged from a harbor, some sh-t will wash up. Big jay was on the right track. The sediment is NOT TOXIC, maybe littered but not toxic. The same crap washes off boats all summer and ends up on the beach. Littered does not = toxic. What they test for doesn't show % of tin cans. The remove anything major (engine blocks etc) but cant screen it all or it would never get done. Pumping instead of dumping might have alleviated some of this but the cost was too high This sediment is sand that was transported along the shoreline (the whole shoreline) and ended up inside the pond. It is primarily sand-sized material, which does not tend to absorb/trap PCBs, PAH's, metals and all the other unsavory crap. The stuff washing up (cans etc) ALSO gets to the beach FASTER than sand (due to surface area and sticking up further in the flow) While it is only speculation, if the debris is washing up, some of the sand is as well. Whatever the ultimate fate of the sand dumped is (i.e. how much makes it to the shoreline) this is still a band-aid on a bullet wound as fas as the overall erosion problem. The Roy Carp's crowd did a lot of work petitioning this. Eventually something will happen to the area around the Mist, as mentioned in the paper, what that is I don't know but it probably means big rocks which means ultimately means no beach. Remember, if you leave the shoreline alone, there WILL ALWAYS be a beach. It just isn't where people want it to be. I WONT sign the petition, especially not with know the who, what where when and why.. ANY ONE WHO WRITES OR SIGNS THE PETITION SHOULD THINK LONG AND HARD ABOUT BOTH SIDES. I can tell you from experience, short of a court order, they aren't going to stop the dredging and dumping. That amount of material WILL NOT be used for upland disposal, so either you would have to pay the $$ th put it in the CAD cells in providence, OR put it offshore, which means it is still in the marine environment. At least what washes up can be cleaned up FAIRLY EASILY FROM THE BEACH. The same isn't true if the material is put into 130ft of water. Lastly: IF YOU STOP THE DREDGING NOW THEY WILL NOT MAKE THE DREDGE WINDOW. THE WINDOW IS SET-UP TO MINIMIZE EFFECTS ON FLOUNDER AND OTHER SPAWNING THAT GOES ON IN THE POND. The negative effects of the dredging on those guys probably out weighs any gain from not dumping the material. You cant please all the people all of the time. MAYBE THE PLOVERS WILL USE THE BEER CANS AND BUILD THEM SELVES SOME SHELTER (OK THAT was a joke) Last edited by RIROCKHOUND; 01-27-2007 at 11:21 AM..
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