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I bought a Shimano 450 many years ago, after my cheapo Shimano Speedmaster crapped out. I didn't bait fish, but liked the line control for driftin plugs in rips. Stripped the gears on a good big bass blitz one windy rainy morning about five years ago, and was not happy about that. Went to the Penn 650, which I'm still using on one rod. I still have both Shimanos in the basement , I was recentyly thinking about haveing the 450 fixed up. It always had a lot of slop in the handle, which I didn't like. That was my last Shimano, I know guys love theirs, maybe I'll give it another shot
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