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numbskull,
those are crappy pictures, but those bottles are simular to the Donny Musso style, flatter face, less cup to the mouth, flared cheeks, When I first started making them, I made them like a gibbs bottle, they dove OK but had very little action, since I've changed the face, they are quite lively... if... I flare the cheeks correctly... if not PFFFFFT.. dud.
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