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Old 03-11-2009, 08:50 AM   #24
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MNC316AKSH.DTL
A good article on e-verify..who's for and against and why it's not a system ready for prime time. Fishbones..I don't recall calling it some big anti democrat plot...but I sure see the posts above pointing the finger at the democrats even though it's opposed by a broad coalition in including that bastion of liberalism the "chamber of commerce". What I did say was the bitching is being directed at the Obama admin. in a you say black..I'll say white manner where no matter what is said or done or what the substance of the matter is some people will oppose it.
"And you guys have the nerve to bit#h about earmarks attached to funding legislation when this is so obviously a "political" statement being attached to the stimulus effort ? Or is it that you complain more about the source of the policies more that the substance."

Okay, maybe you didn't come right out and call it anti-democrat, but you sure do seem to have something against conservatives.

The following is a direct quote from the article you posted.

But critics - including business and labor groups and civil libertarians - say that the system remains fraught with error and could lead to wrongful layoffs. They say it encourages discrimination against workers who appear foreign and promotes more under-the-table hiring.
"We have not taken the effort to go through and fix the errors in people's files before we use this as an enforcement tool," said Timothy Sparapani, senior legislative counsel at the American Civil Liberties Union. "Until we do, this system will be nothing more than a fanciful wish."

First of all, there cannot be discrimination if the person has the correct documents to show they are legal. There would be no reason to lay someone off unless they cannot provide documentation.
As for promoting "under the table hiring". That doesn't even make sense. If a company is verifying authorization to work, there's no reason to hire someone "under the table" because they know the person they are hiring is legal.
And if a company feels that they have to fix errors in peoples files, they should do that regardless of whether they are using E-Verify or not. The government is pretty firm on what paperwork is needed and in how it needs to be filled out.

Say a construction company hires a bunch of people and they don't have the employees fill out all the correct paperwork. Then, someone files a complaint with the labor board because the feel they are being short-changed in their paycheck. When the DLT comes down and does an audit, the company could be in a boatload of trouble because of poor record keeping. The fines can end up in the $100K's for a company that doesn't keep proper records.

So again, explain to me how this is such a bad system. It promotes hiring employees who are legally authorized to work in the US and
it encourages companies to keep records correctly. Aren't these things good?

Below, I've included a link to the DHS website with the information on the E-Verify program. Try reading a little about the program and then decide what you think.

By the way, an article from the SF Gate? You take an article from one of the most liberal publications in the country and only conclude that it's "not ready for prime time" by your own opinion. The article also had plenty of data showing why the program is good for the country.

http://www.dhs.gov/xprevprot/program...221678150.shtm

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