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schoolie monster · 03-19-2003, 01:02 PM

Ok, I'm coming out of the closet... I am against the war at this time, and I have my own reasons for that. I think Saddam has to go and I believe that given more time, we can generate more support for that. I think the Bush Admin. is being a little reckless with the politics of all this. He is justifying alot of the world's opinion of the US. I definitely think the time is now, but now could mean within the next few months, and with everyone (except for France) onboard, things may go down a little differently. That's my opinion... I may be wrong, may be right, just my opinon.

Yes, war sucks, but sometimes its a necessary evil. If we go to war within a few hours, I hope it is quick and collateral damage is minimal, which I believe it can be. I don't really see any other way to get Hussein out of there, and I really believe its important to end all his BS.

FCAlive, you make 4 simple points. Unfortunately, I think you are way off base and while your reasons appear to be justified, they are way oversimplified.

"many reasons given are false"

True. And this will always be the case. I agree that the suggestion that we are in this to free the Iraqi people is BS. If anyone believes that is our primary reason, they are pretty naive. This administration believes that Iraq is a threat to our national security because they are developing weapons of mass destruction and would be likely to sell those weapons to terrorists once developed. That is the reason for this war. That is what you must decide that you believe or don't believe. Are they a threat to do that? These countries are not a threat to attack or overthrow the US. But they are run by ruthless, greedy dictators who also hate us. Of course they would take millions of dollars for weapons they develop that some nut will then set off within our borders. Do you truly believe that isn't the case?

And I'll repeat from my earlier post, "war for oil" is just plain dumb.

"no reason to think we will be safer"

In the short run, you may be right. This could set off terrorist attacks in retaliation, and in fact, do some reading, many US officials believe that is very likely and have publicly stated this.

In the long run, I completely disagree with you for the same reason I gave above. He is and will continue to be dangerous to us for those reasons. It is countries like Iraq that support terrorists by allowing them a safe place to train, develop weapons, etc. The whole region is unstable and he is a large part of that.

"no demonstrated link between Iraq and 9-11"

Again, I agree. But there has been a demonstrated link between Iraq and Al Quaeda and many other terrorist groups. In many of these arrests, the suspects have Iraqi passports and its clear that they travel freely within their country. And we already knew that was the case. Whether Saddam had any direct link to 9-11 is unrelated... I'm sure he enjoyed it, but he probably had nothing to do with it. I'm not sure that a 9-11 link is being used as a reason for the war. Its his support of the type of people who have and would do these things that the US wants to end.

"its wrong to kill unless you have an excellent reason"

True. I'm sure that the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis that Saddam's regime has tortured, raped and murdered would agree with that. I'm sure that the millions terrorized by Al Quaeda across the country and world would agree with that. And I'm certain that the families of victims of 9-11, and the nightclub in Bali, or the countless embassy bombings, the US Cole bombing, etc etc etc etc agree its wrong to kill for no reason. I'm sure the women and children that Saddam used as human shields during the Gulf War probably wondered why they were being killed.

So, unless you think that Saddam or Al Quaeda had excellent reasons for killing all these people, I'm sure you are against them and at least agree that it would be a good idea to pursue some type of action against them.

Idealism is great. I wish the world was a perfect place. But we also have to be realistic sometimes.

I support peace as well. I'm sure all the people here would love to hear that Saddam decided to take exile and the war was over. But ya know what's more important to me than that. My 5 year old daughter, my 4 month old twins and their safety and what type of world they will grow up in.

I don't want to live in Israel. I don't want bombs going off at the corner drugstore every couple days. I don't want planes hitting the Hancock building. If the gov'ts of these countries won't put an end to this way of life, if they will continue to ignore or even support this way of life. Than there is going to be a price to be paid and despite my preference for peace, I will support us (US) taking into our own hands.

03-19-2003, 01:02 PM	#110
schoolie monster Registered User Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 1,195	Ok, I'm coming out of the closet... I am against the war at this time, and I have my own reasons for that. I think Saddam has to go and I believe that given more time, we can generate more support for that. I think the Bush Admin. is being a little reckless with the politics of all this. He is justifying alot of the world's opinion of the US. I definitely think the time is now, but now could mean within the next few months, and with everyone (except for France) onboard, things may go down a little differently. That's my opinion... I may be wrong, may be right, just my opinon. Yes, war sucks, but sometimes its a necessary evil. If we go to war within a few hours, I hope it is quick and collateral damage is minimal, which I believe it can be. I don't really see any other way to get Hussein out of there, and I really believe its important to end all his BS. FCAlive, you make 4 simple points. Unfortunately, I think you are way off base and while your reasons appear to be justified, they are way oversimplified. "many reasons given are false" True. And this will always be the case. I agree that the suggestion that we are in this to free the Iraqi people is BS. If anyone believes that is our primary reason, they are pretty naive. This administration believes that Iraq is a threat to our national security because they are developing weapons of mass destruction and would be likely to sell those weapons to terrorists once developed. That is the reason for this war. That is what you must decide that you believe or don't believe. Are they a threat to do that? These countries are not a threat to attack or overthrow the US. But they are run by ruthless, greedy dictators who also hate us. Of course they would take millions of dollars for weapons they develop that some nut will then set off within our borders. Do you truly believe that isn't the case? And I'll repeat from my earlier post, "war for oil" is just plain dumb. "no reason to think we will be safer" In the short run, you may be right. This could set off terrorist attacks in retaliation, and in fact, do some reading, many US officials believe that is very likely and have publicly stated this. In the long run, I completely disagree with you for the same reason I gave above. He is and will continue to be dangerous to us for those reasons. It is countries like Iraq that support terrorists by allowing them a safe place to train, develop weapons, etc. The whole region is unstable and he is a large part of that. "no demonstrated link between Iraq and 9-11" Again, I agree. But there has been a demonstrated link between Iraq and Al Quaeda and many other terrorist groups. In many of these arrests, the suspects have Iraqi passports and its clear that they travel freely within their country. And we already knew that was the case. Whether Saddam had any direct link to 9-11 is unrelated... I'm sure he enjoyed it, but he probably had nothing to do with it. I'm not sure that a 9-11 link is being used as a reason for the war. Its his support of the type of people who have and would do these things that the US wants to end. "its wrong to kill unless you have an excellent reason" True. I'm sure that the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis that Saddam's regime has tortured, raped and murdered would agree with that. I'm sure that the millions terrorized by Al Quaeda across the country and world would agree with that. And I'm certain that the families of victims of 9-11, and the nightclub in Bali, or the countless embassy bombings, the US Cole bombing, etc etc etc etc agree its wrong to kill for no reason. I'm sure the women and children that Saddam used as human shields during the Gulf War probably wondered why they were being killed. So, unless you think that Saddam or Al Quaeda had excellent reasons for killing all these people, I'm sure you are against them and at least agree that it would be a good idea to pursue some type of action against them. Idealism is great. I wish the world was a perfect place. But we also have to be realistic sometimes. I support peace as well. I'm sure all the people here would love to hear that Saddam decided to take exile and the war was over. But ya know what's more important to me than that. My 5 year old daughter, my 4 month old twins and their safety and what type of world they will grow up in. I don't want to live in Israel. I don't want bombs going off at the corner drugstore every couple days. I don't want planes hitting the Hancock building. If the gov'ts of these countries won't put an end to this way of life, if they will continue to ignore or even support this way of life. Than there is going to be a price to be paid and despite my preference for peace, I will support us (US) taking into our own hands.