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I think Patrick is mostly right. There have been some vistories, not as many as we need and not as many as we could get if we acted together on this stuff. Instead we chuckle and riddicule and potificate from our Soapboxes and in the end we don't do a hell of a lot about it.
Nobody (ok, very few people but I don't who the hell they are) works harder and goes to more meetings than him in our area.
WE joke, and chuckle, and pay lip service to things but WE as a group really don't do a hell of a lot.
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