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Originally Posted by detbuch

I haven't been following new updates on this. Has there been some new evidence that Hasan showed signs of deteriorating mental health?

Until the "incident", I am not aware of evidence that the conflict between his religious views and his military duty had a negative impact. There are reports that he was not the sharpest tack in the drawer which may have been cause for demotion but not a discernable motive for Jihad.

I believe there are many reports of erratic behavior, a good example is where instead of a required medical report he gave a presentation on Islam.

Hasan on Islam - washingtonpost.com

Interestingly enough, he calls out his own dilemma on slide two.

Precisely what I meant earlier in this thread when I responded to your view that most Muslims in the world are not violent, and I said that the Jihadists were working on that--that is, to "push" them "to the other side."

There's push and pull. What many don't seem to be willing to accept is that it's really a mix of legitimate and not so legitimate issues that eventually work to radicalize someone. Again, it's a spectrum.

This is why reformation not "enlightenment" is necessary. The Mullahs and Imams and Islamic scholars must stop merely verbally "condemning" occasional eruptions of "terrorism" and begin to forcefully preach in every Madrassa and in every Mosque that the holy wars must stop or Allah will rescind the 70 virgins and send all Jihadists to hell.

And loose their sources of funding? You'd better be prepared to fill the void or we may get something even worse.

I think that's were I got the idea--didn't read the book, just heard about it--if it's the same one.

Interesting book. Nothing groundbreaking but there are some good observations and anecdotes. I'm sure I have a copy somewhere if you want to read it.

Again, not free will (not sure if there is much of that in Islam . . . some, for sure) rather forcefull reform from the top dogs. Oops, dogs is a term in Islam used for non-Muslims--should read forceful reform from the hierarchy.

The aversion to dogs is perhaps the best evidence I've seen that our cultures are truly not compatible.

They're kind of lengthy, heavy though . . .

And always with tiny print...I never really did like her style of writing.

Again, haven't kept up on this--is there evidence of dereliction of duty before the "incident"?

See above. I'm sure there are other examples but this is particularly noteworthy.

You start this post by implying that deteriorating mental health (which is somehow tied to his religious views) is a cause for concern and that the mililtary paid close attention to such and then feel that it is not serious enough to confront simply because of a shortage of psychiatrists?

Multiple issues. From what I've read he really didn't deal with the death of his mother very well. As the FBI pro filers have said, he was the classic loner after all.

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