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I do appreciate the advice and it is noted, that one was square maple that was laying around, I have been told to start with poppers first but after years of fishing them and having enough in my bag to pray for a blitz to rip them off my line, you know the feeling. On the other side, me being me, I start with difficult and always work with difficult, just how I go. I am working with Poplar now and found more tools, the Darter advice you gave me numb definitely made things easier.
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