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Originally Posted by spence
Unfortunately, a lot of the opposition to gays serving in the military is just the opposite, religious and political leadership who assert that the "gay lifestyle" is a choice that's detrimental so society.
In the business world you have similar situations and a professional (and often corporate regulations) knows there's an obligation to change the situation to avoid a conflict of interest.
All things considered the number of gay service men and women is still pretty small. I'd think the leadership capabilities of a professional military should be able to handle this pretty easily. It doesn't seem to be an issue in other countries, the vast majority of which allow gays to serve openly.
Social engineering has nothing to do with it. Gay people are already serving, and I'd wager for the most part their team know who they are. To be honest, the idea I had to trust someone who I thought might hiding something big might do a lot to erode unity of the team as well.
Social engineering is a talking point used by the religious right to push the idea of a gay lifestyle by choice.
Granted, I don't have your real world experience, but I would think that a lot of this would be taken care of by time. People know who the favorites are...
The situation of a gay service person with leadership responsibility over a lover is bound to be rare, and this coming to a head in a combat situation must be even more rare. A professional has the responsibility to remove themselves from the situation, and you don't set such a discriminatory policy based on something that's so unlikely to happen.
I certainly can see people uncomfortable with the shower situation...but they'll get over it. Remember, they're already showering with them now. It's quite insulting to say someone else needs to change because they offend you.
Repealing DADT was the right thing to do, and I applaud those like Scott Brown who didn't let the party politics influence their decision.
-spence
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Spence -
"Unfortunately, a lot of the opposition to gays serving in the military is just the opposite, religious and political leadership who assert that the "gay lifestyle" is a choice that's detrimental so society."
Every single military argument against repealing dadat that I have ever heard, is based on the concern that morale would be harmed. For you to suggest otherwise shows you aren't really grounded in the facts. You just label everyone who disagrees with you as a homophobe. Your rants are unbelievably consistent, unoriginal, predictable, and boring.
"In the business world you have similar situations and a professional (and often corporate regulations) knows there's an obligation to change the situation to avoid a conflict of interest."
Irrelevent. In the business world, gays go home at the end of the day to their partners. In the military, you live 24/7 for MONTHS AT A TIME with the guys you work with. Again, you ignore the facfs that matter because those don't serve your agenda, and insert irrelevent meaningless facts that support your argument. That tactic would get any freshman debate student a richly deserved "F".
"Social engineering has nothing to do with it."
No?? Then please tell me why we're having this debate. Enlighten me.
"Gay people are already serving, and I'd wager for the most part their team know who they are."
I'd love to know, LOVE TO KNOW, what you base that on. Again, you invent supporting arguments. It must be so convenient to support an agenda when you permit yourself to invent fictitious supporting arguments as you go along.
"but I would think that a lot of this would be taken care of by time."
And possibly at the cost of who-knows-how-many lives. That may be a price you're willing to pay for political correctness. Not me.
"The situation of a gay service person with leadership responsibility over a lover is bound to be rare,"
Ask the National Organization for Women if problems with women in the military have been "rare".
Just one time Spence, try getting the facts FIRST and then making your decision, not the other way around...