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Mr. Sandman · 02-25-2011, 01:29 PM

Yeah but...

I read that they changed they way they computed this number and if you used the previous method we would be well under the limit. I don't know how accurate this is but it was in the fishermen a year or so ago.

Hey I really don't care what their methodology is...it clearly is not working. Further, doing nothing in the face of year after year of serious catch/breading decline as well as other damaging issues and ignoring all while waiting to hit some "magic number" computed at a whim... is a form of malpractice, and then you blame it on the laws (that they help create!!) and how their hands are tied... is not a good excuse...

One thing for sure is they know how to play games with the system...look at fluke and the games they play to keep it open esp in NY...it becomes a political matter and there is posturing buy all sides with an interest in how much money they will loose...it is laughable. Shut it down if there is a problem. Period.

These are just a bunch of weak scientists playing in a sandbox. In my eyes they don't have much credibility and the fishery management people should all be jailed. I am not kidding, what they are doing to the fisheries in this country is criminal.

I bet if you reduced the countries fisheries staff to the salaries of 6 people with a goal to restore all fisheries in 10 years, and giving them the ultimate control, let them call all the shots with no public comment, and answer only to one top guy, the problem could be fixed and we would save a boatload of money in the process.

Look, I can fix this SB thing right now, it is not hard and does not take huge enforcement nor tons of cash.

1) Gamefish status
2) 1@ 36 for rec's (with move to compete C&R if needed)
3) hard-core restoration of all forge fish. (this means shutting down mid water trawlers and many commercial bait operations probably permanently)

---do this and the sea will be rich in SB in 10 years---

wish list:
4) shut down all commercial indiscriminate net-fishing fishing operations inside of 12 miles of the shore.
5) no commercial boat can discard ANYTHING. It all must come back and be processed.

02-25-2011, 01:29 PM	#38
Mr. Sandman Registered User iTrader: (0) Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 7,649	Yeah but... I read that they changed they way they computed this number and if you used the previous method we would be well under the limit. I don't know how accurate this is but it was in the fishermen a year or so ago. Hey I really don't care what their methodology is...it clearly is not working. Further, doing nothing in the face of year after year of serious catch/breading decline as well as other damaging issues and ignoring all while waiting to hit some "magic number" computed at a whim... is a form of malpractice, and then you blame it on the laws (that they help create!!) and how their hands are tied... is not a good excuse... One thing for sure is they know how to play games with the system...look at fluke and the games they play to keep it open esp in NY...it becomes a political matter and there is posturing buy all sides with an interest in how much money they will loose...it is laughable. Shut it down if there is a problem. Period. These are just a bunch of weak scientists playing in a sandbox. In my eyes they don't have much credibility and the fishery management people should all be jailed. I am not kidding, what they are doing to the fisheries in this country is criminal. I bet if you reduced the countries fisheries staff to the salaries of 6 people with a goal to restore all fisheries in 10 years, and giving them the ultimate control, let them call all the shots with no public comment, and answer only to one top guy, the problem could be fixed and we would save a boatload of money in the process. Look, I can fix this SB thing right now, it is not hard and does not take huge enforcement nor tons of cash. 1) Gamefish status 2) 1@ 36 for rec's (with move to compete C&R if needed) 3) hard-core restoration of all forge fish. (this means shutting down mid water trawlers and many commercial bait operations probably permanently) ---do this and the sea will be rich in SB in 10 years--- wish list: 4) shut down all commercial indiscriminate net-fishing fishing operations inside of 12 miles of the shore. 5) no commercial boat can discard ANYTHING. It all must come back and be processed.