[QUOTE=JohnnyD;873295]Not to completely derail the thread...
As a doctor-ordered vegetarian for 9 years (who eats fish against doc's orders), most "man-made" proteins are inferior to good ol' beef and chicken. Most don't contain all the necessary amino-acids needed and some (specifically soy-based proteins and soy milk) have properties that emulate estrogen-type hormones.
Anyway, today's Earthy-Crunchies are our present day Peace and Love hippies. Ignorance to the wider effect of their actions and 'movements' is bliss for them because they can justify a "good cause" by refusing to accept any resulting harm.
What I don't get with the whole plover thing is this.... Plovers are stupid - plain and simple. They nest in areas poorly protected from predators, highly vulnerable to wash out from storms, are extremely territorial and will refuse to nest in close proximity to another nest and are extremely fragile. Quite frankly, they are weak, stupid and kind of deserve to go the way of the dodo.
By putting enclosures up around the nests, the environmentalists are further encouraging this terrible nesting behavior, while also creating a landmark for crows and other predators to target for an easy meal. There is no evolutionary training to get the birds further into the dunes where they'll be better protected because humans minimize the threat.
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i think it's all tied together
Crunchies LOL
well the older ya get the more signifigant fiber becomes....(later)
There is no evolutionary training to get the birds further into the dunes where they'll be better protected because humans minimize the threat.
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not yet there isn't
BTW:
i found maniacs post to be most interesting as to why can these birds NOT be imported....somebody tell me the answer 
if you can eat them friggan somewhere they can be BOUGHT
signifigant numbers would represent a restored ecology and all sanctions removed ...would seem to be the "logic"..... long live Commander "Spock" " Live long and prosper"
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re: crunchies-Lol granola terrorists hahahahah
as an old associate once said........ god
unrest his soul
"haven a good Sh1t is better than good sex
at my age...."
---------------------------------------------------------------------- when we raised
Peacocks the trick was to enclose
a whole nesting tree in chicken wire to eliminate coyote predation
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something similar could be designed on a much smaller scale that would allow
for the coming and going of plovers but not predators...
and it can't be this stupid A$$ lil fence that is 100% useless
and like you said an obvious dinner bell visual aid for corvids
the smartest bird on earth