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Old 01-19-2012, 12:07 PM   #2
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Originally Posted by spence View Post
Personally yes, I am much better off than I was 4 years ago.

As for the country I think it's neutral. On one hand 4 years ago the country was already in a massive recession but just didn't know it. While there's a long way to go our economy has stabilized quite a bit. Yes, unemployment is still very high but this is a product of the recession...Obama has done much to help small business, but it's not like the situation will be fixed in just a few years...there are deeper structural problems.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Facts please, what "has he DONE MUCH" to help small business? Unvail a
national health plan, spending 2 years of his time rather then on the economy
but a health plan that leaves small business in the lurch as to what it will cost
them?
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Their unemployment while unfortunate isn't really a direct product of Obama policy is it? Unemployment today is a combination of many factors, technology and globalism being two big ones.
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Correct, there are many factors, however his appointment of Jeffery Immelt
as "job Czar", the guy who is sending most of his company overseas, is nothing
more then the rest of his creating job plans, Window Dressing.
How many jobs has the Czar created? Oh, that's right he's creating jobs in
China.
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What could have Obama done to increase the yield on your money market?
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Certainly not increase the defecit another 3 TRILLION so intrest rates are lowered
to bring them to the point they are.

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This simply isn't true.

Obama has allowed for expanded drilling in the Gulf and in Alaska and made proposals to expand drilling off both the Atlantic and Pacific coasts. Yes, there was a deep water moratorium after the BP spill, but that was temporary and has been lifted as well.
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So why are we importing oil like there's no tomorrow?
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As for investment in green companies. This is something the government has been doing for a while. Some of the criticism if the money has been allocated in a prudent manner is valid, but it's not socialism.

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Let's face it Spence, giving these close to bankrupt "Green Companies" tax
payer money was nothing more than trying to jump start his program so if the GAMBLE paid off people would swoon over his brillance of creating a green
economy. Pie in the sky. I'm all for green but the technology is not close
to being there and won't be for years to come.
That must of been part of his "Change and Hope, when it comes to green policy
it should have been "Hope for Change."

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Again, what has Obama done that really that different than the previous administration?
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Nothing, he hasn't fullfilled 95% of his campaign promises for change.
Need I list them again. Except for a rediculous health care plan, increasing spending
and sending us down the Socialistic path, it's business as usual.
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This isn't to say our present situation is great, but the assertion that we're neck deep in "Obama socialism" just doesn't seem to be true. I'd be willing to wager that had McCain won in 2008, aside from the health care bill, things wouldn't look all that much different than they do today. Though I'd note that even the HCB contains a lot of Republican ideas.

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Exactly, aside from what I wrote above he's done nothing.


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I do agree that he does set the tone, but is this more a product of PR or actual policy? On the policy side he's done a lot that's positive for business, but some just want to see everything Obama as the product of liberalism and therefor incompatible.

-spence
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We are going in circles Spence, facts please.

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