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					Originally Posted by  nightfighter
					 
				 
				I seem to have received or traded for a number of plugs that do not utilize belly grommets. Thoughts. Pros/cons. 
			
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 I have probably made a couple a thousand plugs and never use a belly grommet.
I do use a drill bit on the hole after I drill it that flairs the hole out so the swivel doesn't get hung up on it if it were a straight hole. As for the paint wearing and water soaking in, that's why I use AYC. Cedar doesn't absorb water.