|  08-12-2012, 09:54 AM | #24 | 
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					Originally Posted by spence  Ryan has not presented any serious proposal to save Medicare trillions of dollars, if anything he's proposed a theory that shifting costs to seniors will decrease overall healthcare costs through competition. 
 But without insurance exchanges (as established by Obama) there's no way to manage risk which will likely result in what we had before the HCB, namely insurers seeking to game the system by avoiding it, something that would only get worse with less regulation.
 
 The closest thing to a government subsidized system via private insurers (Medicare Advantage) I believe has RAISED costs 8%.
 
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					Originally Posted by Jim in CT  Spence, I asked you what Obama/Biden have offered as a solution to Medicare.  In true liberal fashion, instead of answering my question, you choose to insult Ryan.
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No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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