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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
"Jobs have been added most months in a good, albeit slow, long-term trend" That's idiotic. Using that logic, I can say that during Bush's term, there were more months when the DJIA went up than when the DJIA went down. Does that mean the stock market improved during his term? Hell, no. There is no upward or "good" trend in jobs during Obama's term, unless you throw out all the months when things were bad, and only judge him based on the months you select, when things improved.
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So, you won't acknowledge that the slide that started before he took office seriously impacted the first year + of this administration? I am not selectively looking at the the months when it was bad, but I choose to look at the term as a whole, including factors (not blaming Bush!) that impact these years
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
Facts: unemployment was 7.8% when Obama took office
unemployment is teh same 7.8% today
Oabma has been President for almost 4 years
in that time, he added $5 trillion to the debt
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Fact: Job losses peaked in early 2009 and have (with some dips) has been mostly in the positive since 2010. The trend for unemployment has been about the same, peaking in July of 2009. You view it as he has done nothing, I view it as things are improving over the last 2 years, much of the trend began in 2008
Obama's economy: A snapshot - Job growth (1) - CNNMoney
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
He had 4 years, during which time he spent $5 trillion more than he took in. How much has unemployment gone done in that time? Zero. More importantly, median household income is down about 10% since he has been in office (down from $55k to $50k).
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http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/files...-Income-03.png
See comments above regarding timing and trends.
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
I can't believe you would type that with a straight face. All Obama and the media say is that the Bush administration caused what happened in 2008. The president signs tax laws and spending laws. You think those have very little effect on the macroeconomic landscape?
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Frankly, yes. If that was the case, why under Clinton's higher rates did the economy flourish? I believe in large part, the economy is decadal scale cycles with whoever the president is policies superimposed on them.
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
How is that different from Obama's position? Are you saying that Obama either (1) doesn't want peace there, or (2) believes he can pull it off? Because if he can pull it off, why hasn't he?
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It's not different, but get Romney to admit that.... Obama probably can't pull it off, but he also is not out to abandon Israel as it is often portrayed.
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
Like all liberals, you are falsely suggesting Ryan wants to force people into a voucher plan. Not true. Under Ryan's plan, seniors could freely choose either a voucher plan, or to stay in a Medicare type plan.
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I see... I only go by what I read... (admitting that some of source is probably biased, the truth is realistically somewhere in the center)
PolitiFact | Do Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan want to turn Medicare into a voucher program?
Romney-Ryan Medicare Plan Would Cost 29-Year-Olds $331,200: Report
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
It's fair to say you don't agree with the plan. But again, the immediate liberal response to Ryan's plan was a commercial showing him pushing an old lady off a cliff. Is that honest?
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Nope. it wasn't honest. But neither was a good percentage of your party (not you) running around calling the president a foreign born Muslim.... I don't have to agree or like with everything 'Liberals' do to tend to vote for one. At the local level I have voted independent and even republican at times when I thought the candidate was stronger.
As far as the deficit number, I agree that it sucks we have spent more than we took in. I have yet to hear from Romney how he would do this differently. First it was tax cuts with deductions removed to offset costs. Now it is no tax cuts if it adds to the deficit, but he talks about huge increases in defense spending. Frankly, I don't think either candidate, or party really has a serious plan for dealing with this.
good luck in the election Jim. part of me wants Romney to win, simply so your head doesn't explode.