| It shows the hypocrisy of criticizing the actions of a president while ignoring the actions of the only person(s) you can compare those actions to - previous presidents.  
 If someone doesn't want to discuss previous examples, they don't have to.  If you want to bring up other pres, go right ahead.  John will allow it. I didn't see any rules against it.  I never realized you didn't like "over-lenghly awkward conversations".
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