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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY
No progress made, same crap as last week and the year before. All politics and no progress. And as I said earlier 90% of Americans dont get it. we're screwed.
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yup...same crap...."hostage taking"...again...look on the bright side Jim, after a short period of pain, according to Dean...everything will be bliss....I heard Obama state the other day that this is not about him being stubborn,,,it's about "math"....I'm not too sure about this Obama math
Jake Tapper qestioning Jay Carney recently...
Q: Jay, speaking of the debt ceiling, does an agreement to raise the debt ceiling have to be part of an agreement to avert the fiscal cliff?
CARNEY: We’re not going to negotiate over what is a fundamental responsibility of Congress, which is to pay the bills that Congress incurred. It should be part of the deal. It should be done and it should be done without drama.
We cannot allow our economy to be held hostage again to the whims of an ideological agenda. We are the United States of America. We are the greatest economy on Earth. We pay our bills. We always have. If Congress wants to reduce spending, that should be part of the negotiations that go into making decisions about how we spend — the programs we spend money on.
Q: Just a second ago, you referred to, when talking about the debt ceiling, taking it off the table needs to be part of the deal. You referred to the economy being held hostage by an ideological view. You’re aware that when he was a senator, President Obama voted against raising it.
CARNEY: We addressed that and there was no threat of default at the time. What happened in 2011 — as we all know, because we all lived it, most of us in this room — was the threat of default, a willingness expressed on the record and publicly by numerous members of Congress to see the American economy under default and with all the consequent impacts on the global economy and on the American middle class in order to achieve some sort of political victory that was driven by ideology and partisanship.
Q: So it’s okay for people to engage in that kind of nonsense if it’s –
CARNEY: Jake, I appreciate the question, and we engaged in this a lot at the time and I refer you to my comments about it back then. But the fact that –
Q — people voting the way that Senator Obama did and except you’re using derisive terms –
CARNEY: What happened in 2011 is that Republicans in Congress demanded — said they would let America default for the first time in its history if they did not get the items on their agenda. That was consequential and it was unprecedented, and the result was bad for everyone.
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Obama said, "I have said before that the middle class tax cuts were being held hostage to the high end tax cuts. I think it is tempting not to negotiate with hostage takers unless the hostage gets harmed."
Barack Obama 2010
“At a time when our discourse has become so sharply polarized, at a time when we are far too eager to lay the blame for all that ails the world at the feet of those who think differently than we do,” he said, “it’s important for us to pause for a moment and make sure that we are talking with each other in a way that heals, not a way that wounds.” “Let’s make sure it’s not on the usual plane of politics and point scoring and pettiness that drifts away with the next news cycle.”
Barack Obama 2011
this is great...
Nov 15 2012
"Mr. Obama again forgot his past sops to civility by accusing Republicans of holding his tax hike agenda "hostage." His subordinates routinely refer to Republicans as "hostage takers" for having principled policy disagreements. In the interest of "coming together," there is a solution.
What Mr. Obama considers hostage taking is what the Founding Fathers called democracy and separation of powers. Sadly, Mr. Obama's ego is held hostage by itself."