[QUOTE=zimmy;1137632][QUOTE=detbuch;1137597][QUOTE=zimmy;1137589]The majority of the country sees through the bs of the 1950's culture you seem to think is utopia.
Socialism and Communism (sort of the same thing) Are the only Utopian systems I'm aware of (you should tell Jim the 50's weren't Utopia. He thinks it was.) 1950's culture in the U.S. then was family oriented.
Meaning women knew their place?
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Originally Posted by zimmy
By the way, birth rates among black and hispanic teens today are about 25% what they were in 1990 after 12 years of Republican leadership.
Abortion rate is half now what it was in 1980 and about 60% of what it was in 1990. You, like Jim, should try facts rather than what you "feel" is true.
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I have not heard Jim refer to the 1950's as utopia. You're putting that word in his mouth. That is not an honest way to have a discussion.
Your remark that 1950's family oriented culture meant that women knew their place was more snotty than useful as a point of comparison between then and now. Especially as relating to black women. The point being that black women of child bearing age don't have, now, in contrast to the 1950's, an intact family with a father in the home. So then neither do their children. Ergo the culture, for them, is not family oriented in a traditional sense, but a fatherless culture, and for many, a government dependent culture as a model for their children.
The time in question was the 1950's. You jumped it to 1990 and to today. Again, not an honest comparison of values of the 1950's to today.
You originally brought up
birth rates of blacks and Hispanics. Was the
abortion rate you later spoke of as dramatically dropping also pertaining to blacks and Hispanics, or overall including all races? There's this excerpt from an article on the subject:
"In 2014, a total of 303,844 blacks died in the U.S. That same year, an estimated 954,000 abortions took place in the United States. If 36% were performed on black women, that means 343,440 black babies were aborted. In other words, more blacks are killed by abortion each year in the United States than by all other causes combined.
"In 2010, the black population in the U.S. stood just shy of at 39 million. The CDC reports that during the 1970's, roughly 24% of all U.S. abortions were performed on black women. That percentage rose to 30% in the 1980's, 34% in the 1990's and 36% in the 2000's. That means that about 31% of all U.S. abortions since 1973 have been performed on African American women. Based on the January 2013 estimate that there have been 55.7 million abortions in the United States since 1973, we can deduce that approximately 17 million of the aborted babies were black.
"Despite an overall black population growth of 12% between 2000 and 2010, the U.S. Census Bureau reports that the black population "grew at a slower rate than most other major race and ethnic groups in the country." CBS News reported in 2009 that "Hispanics have surpassed blacks as the nation's largest minority group." Can there be any question about the role abortion has played in this demographic shift? Despite similar population numbers, Hispanic women account for approximately 19% of U.S. abortions whereas African-American women account for up to 36%. From 1973 to 2012, abortion reduced the black population by 30%, and that doesn't even factor in all the children that would have been born to those aborted a generation ago. To put it bluntly, abortion has thinned the black community in ways the Ku Klux Klan could have only dreamed of."
In 1950 the Black population in the U.S. was about 15 million. Since 1973 about 17 million Blacks (more than the entire Black population at the time we were discussing) were aborted. On average almost 1900 Blacks are aborted every day in the U.S. In N.Y. City more Blacks are aborted than are born. Blacks in the U.S. are aborted at 3 times the rate as whites.