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from the kayak in water under 15 feet, usually a half ounce of weight is all that is needed to stay down there, the tubes I use already have that built in so I don't add anymore. A spinner blade works well to detect hangups and weed build ups because the when its spinning, the rod tip will vibrate a little so you can keep your eye on it while you are trolling and if you don't like the "feel" you can bring it in to check it.
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