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Old 02-19-2015, 09:59 PM   #6
detbuch
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She says that since 2006 "voters have insistently told pollsters they don’t want amnesty" yet interestingly enough the most recent immigration poll by the AP-GFK in December found nearly 60% of Americans favored a path to citizenship for illegals already here.

But up until "the most recent" poll, she is correct. And campaigns can change opinions. And successfully characterizing the issue as "amnesty" rather than "path to citizenship" can change poll numbers. But, if we govern by polls rather than principle voting becomes a popularity contest. The best spin wins and often leads to results opposite to what spin promises.

She repeatedly misleads with "executive amnesty" and "Obama's amnesty" and "Obama's illegal amnesty" while the executive action doesn't provide a path to citizenship.

She didn't coin the term. She's using the spin label widely in use. So is "path to citizenship" a spin label. And, anyway, amnesty is a path to citizenship. But there is already a path to citizenship in place, so the one for illegals is a special one, with a politically correct name--a sort of amnesty compared to the immigration path already, and constitutionally legal, in place. The so-called "path" in the proposed Senate bill gives a tremendous advantage to illegals over legal immigrants. Not the least of which is a guarantee to millions of staying here until the "path" is accomplished, which is guaranteeing residence until it is made legal.

Her claim that illegals will be each given $25K in taxpayer money is also 99% false. This provision could only apply to illegals who were already filing tax returns the past three years and could meet the standards for the maximum benefit. At best this could only be a miniscule fraction of the population yet she generalized it to all illegals.

There seems to be a provision for being able to back-file returns for the three years previous to getting their social security card:

http://www.twcc.com/articles/2015/02...-than-citizens


And even considering, the influx of tax revenue from newly registered workers would dwarf any potential drain.

As in paying government employees rather than private contractors to do various government work, we always seem to forget legacy costs:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgr...-and-medicare/


It looks just like vintage Coulter, she's simply making things up...
It doesn't seem that she is making much up in the article. Most of it can be corroborated by other articles--which is where she probably got her information. Just like you or I do. The truth of it all may be hidden in the constant twist of spin. There may be half truths here or there, or none, or totally so. That is increasingly harder to determine in the mass of propaganda daily issued by our not totally honest media and politicians. Shall we say biased, or just good old-fashined corrupt.

But all of that was not my point in this post. I really wasn't interested in the polls crap. Polls are too often worded to get a desired response. And too often used by pols to bend opinion to their way. I wasn't interested in political wonk here.

The point was, that even a GOP hack, a rather brilliant one, like Coulter who usually fronts for the establishment over the "unrealistic" or "purist" or "radical" conservatives, is really pissed off at the party establishment for not doing that which they promised in order to get elected. Which may, or may not, be a bell-weather in determining who gets the GOP nomination. She is challenging them to put up or shut up and go away. Which is what a lot of us on the outer edge are feeling. There is mounting sentiment that the GOP has to become a more basically conservative opponent to the progressives. Just as the Whigs were sliding away from their anti-slavery principles and joining the Democrats on the fundamental issue of slavery, and to combat that the Republican party was formed as a principled opposition, so too have the Republicans been sliding away from their presumed principles to the point where differences from Democrats on so much are only in matters of degree, and a more principled party, either reformed, or newly minted may have to come into existence.

If the GOP establishment doesn't come across with their promises this time, the GOP may garner much more serious problems than figuring out how to hoodwink their voters in order to maintain their cushy power.

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