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Originally Posted by Pete F.

So the Guardian is far left,

Yes.

Orban is a centrist

No.

who allows a free press

The American press has not been so free lately with the suppression and outright censoring of conservative speech and prevention of important political stories being disseminated.

Even you, Pete, have advocated for showing no tolerance for "conservative" speech because it inevitably leads to tyranny. You sound a lot like your portrayal of Orban.

and doesn’t claim that what the USA needs is a Christian theocracy.

Does he claim that? So what? You believe that "conservatives" or Republicans are his lackeys and will do whatever he suggests? Hungary is not a Christian theocracy.

“This corner of Europe will regain the colors it had before communism,” Orban said in the video.
Before communism, Hungary was ruled for 24 years

Hungary had a thousand years of history before communism. It had many proud "colors" before communism. Much of it was authoritarian as were the colors of most countries pre communism. My ancestors suffered under some of that Hungarian authoritarianism. But such is the history of the world.


by a revanchist nationalist government — the country’s first stable regime since the First World War — which allied with the Nazis in World War II and was responsible for the deaths of nearly 500,000 Jewish citizens in the Holocaust. Orban has previously referred to Miklos Horthy, primary leader of the Hungarian state during this period, as an “exceptional leader.”

The truth isn't so simple as leftist Rolling Stone tries to deceptively paint it. According to Brittanica "Although he disliked Adolf Hitler, he sympathized with the German dictator’s “crusade against Bolshevism,” and initially acquiesced in Hungary’s adherence to the German side in World War II. His later efforts to extricate Hungary from the war led to his forced abdication and abduction by the Germans in 1944.

Also, in contradiction to your leftist Rolling Stone attempt to paint him as a Jew killer antisemitic NAZI sympathizer, there's this: How “Anti-Semite” Miklos Horthy Saved the Jews of Budapest--https://momentmag.com/horthy-jews-budapest/

The more complex account of Horthy's history shows that he indeed was a very "exceptional leader"--commendably so.

Hungary is a one-party, right-wing state where the ruling ideology encourages racial hatred of minorities (Jews and the Roma). And that is where American conservatives decided to have a party.

Your far left New Republic article from which you quote verbatim without attribution states that "Orbán transformed Hungarian politics and society into a competitive authoritarian state, where free speech is officially permitted and other political parties exist but where, for all intents and purposes, the speech of dissenters is drowned out and the non-Fidesz parties can’t win an election."

Gosh, that sounds a lot like what Democrats would like and are trying to do here.

And the article goes full rabid with " The American right, from Trump to CPAC Jefe Matt Schlapp on down the line, celebrates and seeks to emulate a racist, neofascist anti-democracy. They want to turn the United States into Hungary."

OK . . . so were supposed to give this sort of reportage a claim to being reputable? I don't think so. Not at all.


And how dare any news provider report on it, they must be far left claim the fascists.
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And the fascists claim that "conservatives" like Tucker Carlson are far right.