Originally Posted by Jim in CT
"Empathy is a fine thing. Most of us empathize. But it cannot be a rational purpose for an immigration policy."
The Battle Hymn Of The Republic says, I think, "as He died to make men holy, let us die to set them free". If empathy for people is a valid reason to go to war, surely it's enough of a reason to let some people come here.
Jim, Jim, Jim . . . you're a Christian . . . put a little religion in a religious battle hymn. Making men holy is not about empathy or being noble. Verses like "He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath [not empathy] are stored . . . they have builded Him an altar in the evening dews and damps; I can read His righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps . . . He is sifting out the hearts of men before His judgment seat; O be swift, my soul, to answer Him! Be jubilant my feet . . . with a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me; as He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free, while God is marching on" are not about being empathetic or noble. They are about doing what is righteous in the eyes of God. "Wrath. . . altar . . . judgment," and a soul answering to Him (God), transfiguring us so as to make us capable and righteous and God fearing and God loving enough to die to make men free from the sin of slavery are about Christian duty not about empathy or nobility.
Great song BTW. It was supposed to have inspired the Northern troops. But not because of empathy for the slaves.
"Where do you get that he doesn't know why it's noble? "
He asked why we are bringing in people from these countries? That tells me, he doesn't currently know why we would want to do it.
It sounds more like a rhetorical "why" rather than an inquisitive one.
"If you empathize with chain migration and think it is a noble thing, you're welcome to your opinion. I don't agree with such an opinion."
I think I agree with you on that one. Being related to someone who is here, isn't a good enough reason, in and of itself.
"it sounds that you and he are more in agreement than disagreement"
I would bet you are probably right. I agree with most of his policy agenda. It's just that his choice of wording, is so unnecessarily offensive. Who would deny that Haiti is a sh*thole country?
It's a sign of desperation when the left's attacks are reduced to Trump's choice of words.
I agree that these are sh*thole countries. They are beyond dysfunctional, horribly run, and causing immeasurable despair. But that's exactly why I want to bring some people from those places. People in Norway aren't tortured to death for speaking against the government, they don't need our help.
But the point of immigration is to help us, not to help Norway, or Haiti, or any country from whence immigrants come.
"You may be giving him more credit than he deserves for being scientifically inclined"
You re probably right on that score, as well.
The other aspect of this that angers me, is about domestic politics. Because of the economy, and because of which senators are up for re-election in November, what the democrats should be talking about, is whether or not the GOP will win unanimously in November. But because of this guy's inability to keep from saying godawful things, if the elections were today, the democrats would probably re-take the house. I don't want that nutjob Pelosi as speaker of the House again, and Trump is making that more likely, and I just can't stand it.
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