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Old 11-25-2015, 11:51 AM   #85
detbuch
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Originally Posted by Nebe View Post
“In fact, climate change is directly related to the growth of terrorism,” Bernie Sanders said during Saturday’s debate.

In fact, Islam is directly related to the growth of terrorism. Of the two, Islam and climate change, Islam is demonstrably more related to terrorism, and on a vastly greater scale.

“And if we do not get our act together and listen to what the scientists say you’re going to see countries all over the world — this is what the CIA says — they’re going to be struggling over limited amounts of water, limited amounts of land to grow their crops. And you’re going to see all kinds of international conflict.”

All kinds of international conflict have existed since the beginning of nation states and all kinds of conflict have always occurred even before that. The ultimate socialist method of eliminating international conflict is to eliminate "states" and have one world order dictated by an all-powerful central bureau of various "experts" controlling every aspect of the great unwashed masses' lives by unopposed law, force, and "training" to accept the peaceful coexistence of all beings and things. Notions of man made climate change, income inequality, individual biases and differences outside prescribed doctrines of human behavior, overpopulation, and so forth, are powerful propagandistic tools which are used to hopefully bring about an eventual stable, population controlled, paradise.

Since the overwhelming majority of pundits and policymakers don’t understand the existential threat climate change poses, Sanders remarks were criticized, much as fellow presidential candidate Martin O’Malley’s were back in July. Yet for over three years, leading security and climate experts — and Syrians themselves — have made the connection between climate change and the Syrian civil war. Indeed, when a major peer-reviewed study came out on in March making this very case, Retired Navy Rear Admiral David Titley said it identifies “a pretty convincing climate fingerprint” for the Syrian drought.

The climate fingerprint has always existed. It has existed more as a climate fist in the past with greater fluctuations and higher and lower degrees of temperature, all well before human intervention. Even now, the vast percentage of influence over climate is not man made. The tiny percentage due to human CO2 emission is supposedly a "tipping point" which puts us over some edge. The various non-human tipping points of the past suggest that nature has more in store for us and there will be little we can do about it. On the other hand, I suppose, as Bernie suggests, we can all become terrorists.

Titley, a meteorologist who led the U.S. Navy’s Task Force on Climate Change when he was at the Pentagon, also said, “you can draw a very credible climate connection to this disaster we call ISIS right now.”
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You could draw all sorts of credible connections to this "disaster," but why overlook the most obvious and important ones.

There have always been droughts in the Middle East and elsewhere. And yes, they have caused, and will cause, in the future, human misery--even conflicts. But terrorism is a different kind of "conflict." It is not a methodology used to ameliorate natural or even human caused changes in climate. The amounts of money, effort, killing are employed to bring about ideological change, not climate change. Just as have been past terrorisms, including Nazism and bolshevism in the twentieth century. And neither the goals nor the results had anything to do with climate.

And if some of the useful idiots recruited by the ideologues join the jihads because of poverty, man made or natural, the simple answer would be to offer them welfare rather than war.

And if we are to think that elimination of climate change will help to bring about the end of terrorism, or conflicts, then we are in a la-la land of mistaken identity. We cannot eliminate climate change. And it is not the cause of terrorism.
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