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Old 02-15-2010, 05:51 PM   #47
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Originally Posted by detbuch View Post
The Sunni didn't "start taking their future more seriously" out of some mystical awakening. It would not have happened without the removal of Sadaam. Under him, the Sunni future was secure. There was no need for co-operation with the Shia or Kurds. They didn't just magically, benevolently awaken to the wonderful world of raprochement. They were forced into that reality by BUSH'S WAR, not by some casual, or religious, or brotherly, innocently walking in the park and struck by a vision awakening. They were forced into a choice of either eventual defeat and subjugation, or being a part of a winning coalition--AS ENVISIONED by the "stupid" one. It was a costly length of time for them to see the light, which might have happened sooner if our face to the war at home was strongly unified instead of divided. Our political infighting over the war, no doubt, gave them some hope to drive us out. But the "stupid" one did not relent. BUSH did that, not Obama/Biden. The surge solidified our effort. Bush's reason for invading Iraq was ultimately, and most importantly, to begin a fundamental change in the Middle East. To bring about, in the long term, a more stable, cooperative, democratically inclined region in place of one that inflicted terror on the rest of the world. And Iraq was the soft spot to begin. The first step, in what he acknowledged, would be a long struggle, has been taken. Perhaps, if we stay with it, and give Obama kudos for doing so up to this point, the mission will progress more rapidly than expected. If Obama continues staying the course, we may see a sooner than expected change for the better. Kudos to him, if he does. But for Biden to claim Iraq a success of his administration, when he, and Obama, and the Sunni, were all dragged into it, kicking, screaming, complaining, castigating, and condemning the effort, is silly.
The Anbar Awakening has little to do with Sunni's coming to peace with their Shiite and Kurdish brothers as envisioned by some neocon dream.

The Sunni's simply came to the realization that if they banded together to provide their own security against insurgents or al Qaeda (helping rather than fight US troops) they would have a better chance at survival.

They have now, in effect formed their own militia that the Iraqi government plans to disband as it's seen as a potential threat against Iraqi stability.

Ultimately, the same sectarian strife that existed long before Saddam is still present. Unfortunately, our mishandling of the early years of the war have done much to radicalize elements in Iraq making the long-term success of a stable US partner much more difficult.

And as you said, the plan was to fundamentally change the Middle East. How has it changed? Freedom has diminished in most of the Nations we had hoped to positively influence and many of our enemies are stronger as a result.

I wonder if this was ever ENVISIONED as a risk by the "enlightened" ones.

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