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Originally Posted by wdmso
I commend your passion on the topic so what time in our history has the Constitution and the political powers and freedoms of Americans been in perfect harmony
Perfect harmony as a creation of human endeavor is probably impossible. On the other hand, it occurs whenever someone says it does. It is either an unattainable agreement on everything by everybody, or suppositionally existing by personal opinion. Your asking a trick question which can be answered either always, never, or sometimes. Pick the answer that suits you. In any regard, the question is irrelevant if you desire what we in America call freedom. Or what we used to call it.
The political beauty of our constitutional structure is partly that it does not strive to reach or ensure a social or political perfect harmony. Rather, it assumes that such a thing would be possible only by a tyrannically enforced absolute equality. Only an absolute dictatorship could even approach such a "harmony." Actually, it has been posited that the best form of government IS benevolent dictatorship. That is, intentionally to some degree and inadvertently to a great degree, the trajectory of our progressive Administrative State form of government. It is that suppositional perfect harmony of freedom and political powers which exists because the ruling class says it does.
And the other part of our constitutional structure which completes its political beauty is that it strives, rather than a perfect, a more perfect harmony ensured by guarantying individual equality before the law, rather than trying to coerce an impossible absolute equality in which everyone loses individuality and becomes an indistinguishable drone in the societal hive.
Perhaps, examples of actually, rather than suppositionally, lasting societies in perfect harmony between government and citizen would be bee hives or ant colonies. Human's are purported to have evolved beyond the monotony of insect perfection which makes advances, betterment, undesirable, if not impossible. We do have examples of human attempts at such societies. Promised utopias which only tend to revert humankind back to more insect like existence. Evolution, in that circumstance ends, even human evolution, which then reverts to devolution. And the evolved human mind and spirit either rejects such stultifying utopias, or ultimately accepts the comforting, predictable, form of slavery.
was the 18 hundreds 1960 70s or 50 s 80 90s or is it only been the last 8 years at these changes have been taking effect. I'm far from suggesting wholesale change of the Constitution I just don't understand where you guys get the idea that that's what's happening
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It has been happening incrementally, getting some traction in the latter 18 hundreds. Picking up pace from there. Booming in the FDR administration. Then incrementally wavering but almost always proceeding in "taking effect" until the latter 20th century when the pace picked up again. And it is trying to race toward some supposed finish line. The "fundamental transformation of America" that Obama promised.
If your vision, what you "see," is limited to the cocoon of your adult life span, you may not "see" much difference. Some for sure. But not necessarily, for you, that significant. But if you can widen the lens of your vision to include recorded American history, the change is massive. You would notice, whether you agreed with it or not, a near total inversion of original constitutional intent. Progressives absolutely agree with that inversion. They have said so--confidently at first, then more secretly, and now are beginning to lose some of the shackles of fear that Americans would disapprove of what they actually believe about the Constitution, individual freedom, and unalienable rights. But their "narrative" still has to be couched in Orwellian language where a form of slavery is said to be freedom, or with slogans from the far left similar to Nebe's saying that "freedom is the buzzword of fools." We have slowly been conditioned to accept, bit by bit, not really noticeable in generational time spans, that "too much" freedom is not a good thing. And this is reflected not only in the increased power of the President, but even worse, in the divergence of the Supreme Court's expansion of its judicial philosophy from its first applications of judicial review to the current judicial philosophies of loose rather than strict construction which have evolved to the extent that judicial interpretation need not be bound by the Constitution, but can reflect a judges personal social views.
The wholesale change in the Constitution, which you say you don't suggest, has happened. But if you "see it" from your little time span, it doesn't seem so great.