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Old 09-12-2021, 03:15 PM   #92
detbuch
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Originally Posted by wdmso View Post
Seems your trying to use some linguistic gymnastics to cloud what American saw on TV Jan 6..

If using dictionary definitions is linguistic gymnastics, I guess that's what you do.

They were some how Trying to preserve it!

Definition of preserve (Entry 1 of 2)
transitive verb
1 : to keep safe from injury, harm, or destruction : PROTECT
2a : to keep alive, intact, or free from decay

If you're trying to "stop the steal," it would seem that you're trying to keep something safe.

Via insurrection because they lost at the ballot box .. don’t be mistaken their actions had nothing to do with the love of American or the constitution.. it was for the love of Trump

They didn't believe they lost at the ballot box.
They believed that the ballot box was "harmed." That it was "injured."
That it was not "intact." That the election was stolen. That the Constitution suffered a basic "destruction."


it was for the love of Trump

Another mind reader. Why should we even be having these discussions. Just ask you. You have the power to just know things, even what people really think when they say otherwise.

Essential Meaning of insurrection
: a usually violent attempt to take control of a government
He led an armed insurrection [=rebellion, uprising] against the elected government.

Here's another one for you from Cambridge: "an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government or ruler and take control of the country"

The elected executive branch of the government at the time was the Trump administration. There was no attempt to overthrow that duly elected and incumbent government.

Nor was there any proven overall organization of the rioters. There may have been some inconsequential and unrealistic planning by a few groups within the mass of rioters, but there was no overall organization. It seemed to be an incoherent mess. There was no coherent, organized claim to defeat the government and control the country. It is inconceivable how that could have been achieved, especially without some overall plan including a massive force of guns, ammo, and personnel.

If they had breached the congressional chamber, what then? They were going to tell Congress to surrender and that they were going to run the country?


Even Webster sees rebellion and uprising has the same meaning

You're using that sloppy technique of misusing language in order to persuade for a political purpose. The two words do not have "the same" meaning. Synonymity is a similarity or close relationship, not an exact sameness. Webster distinguishes the difference. The same goes for your above equation "an armed insurrection [=rebellion, uprising]" They are not equal. They have their own shade of meanings and connotations.

It is propagandistic technique to make words fluid in meaning in order to use the more inflamatory word that sort of sounds about right.


And seeing you put Armed in Bold your suggestion they weren’t?

Webster Definition of armed (Entry 1 of 2)
1a : furnished with weapons

Definition of weapon (Entry 1 of 2)
1 : something (such as a club, knife, or gun) used to injure, defeat, or destroy
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From Factcheck.org: "a wide array of lethal weapons — including a firearm — were found on protesters at the Capitol" In addition . . . "According to a database compiled by NPR, of the people charged with violent offenses, including assault on police officers, 15 were armed with deadly or dangerous weapons during the riot at the Capitol."

"Eight others facing civil disorder or property destruction charges also were charged with possessing weapons, according to the database."

"Those weapons included baseball bats, chemical sprays, a captured police officer’s riot shield, a crowbar, fire extinguishers and a metal flagpole."

So, out of the over 600 that have been charged, one had a firearm and 23 others had other "lethal weapons" such as baseball bats, chemical sprays, a captured police officer’s riot shield, a crowbar, fire extinguishers and a metal flagpole."

There's you're armed "insurrection, uprising, rebellion, revolution, etc., and riot."

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